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2016 Presidential Election Discussion Thread

Next President?  

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  1. 1. Vote for your choice for the next President of the United States

    • Hillary Clinton
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    • Donald Trump
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    • Gary Johnson
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    • Jill Stein
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47 minutes ago, LT80 said:

This just in::: After tallying 138% of the vote, Hillary wins!

Are we sure they counted all the deceased votes?  Just because someone dies is no reason to lose their right to vote. :P

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1 hour ago, JustRandy said:

Are we sure they counted all the deceased votes?  Just because someone dies is no reason to lose their right to vote. :P

Yes, they are in the same bucket with the illegal alien votes...:skeptic: 

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14 minutes ago, quadmaniac said:

Yes, they are in the same bucket with the illegal alien votes...:skeptic: 

Bucket?  Oh you mean boxtruck.  Dang autocorrect :)

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On the other side of the coin..... If you  remove  the  years of fake  news and false accusations against   Hillary  Clinton;  remove  the innuendo that  Comey  made  by  announcing  in  days  before  the   general  election  of further  investigation  of  e-mail  that proved to contain no damaging evidence of wrongdoing  by  her,  and the interference by   the  Russians  under Putin in the  campaigns and release  of  innuendo  and   more false claims  against  Clinton, you'd  most likely  have seen a very  different election result .. We'll  see  down the road  how true the allegations  of Trump's  misdeeds during a  trip T Russia  turn  out..  Personally,  I rather  suspect they're  true.....  The  GOP  got their  majorities in  both  houses , and will  have  it  on the  Surpreme  Court after  Trump's inauguration.. The  country  is being handed  to the  ERW of the  Republicans  and  a  man   who,  by  most observers  outside of the  US  and most Americans  not  buffaloed  by  his  rhetoric,   is totally  unfit  for the  job.

We'll  see  whose  predictions  for  the  Trump   Presidency turn  out to  be on  point.  I'll be  very  surprised if Trump   lasts one  year,  let  alone  4,  ,and  I  don't think  Pence  will  be much  of an  improvement  when  he takes  over  to  finish the term.

I also  hope  for the good of  both  our countries that  I  am  proven  wrong.

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40 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

We'll  see  down the road  how true the allegations  of Trump's  misdeeds during a  trip T Russia  turn  out.. 

What's the ramifications of the russia thing?

I kinda think Trump would have lost if it had been anybody but Hillary.

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1 hour ago, JustRandy said:

 

I kinda think Trump would have lost if it had been anybody but Hillary.

Most  likely. Far too many believe  all the allegations the  ERW of the  GOP  have made against her  over the  years; even though there  has never  been  an  indictment , let alone a  conviction, for any  wrongdoing by  her.  She has  been and  is still  very  unpopular  because  of the constant barrage  of  unfounded allegations  against her.

 Ramifications  of the  Russia  thing? If it is true  that  Putin   has tapes proving the  allegations  against him,  and  possibly  a lot  more  in shady  business dealings,  it could give them  a  great deal  of  leverage   on  him. Trump is a narcissist by all  accounts . . He  doesn't  like to  look  bad. In  my opinion he  doesn't  know  how to  tell the truth .. Everything  he  says  is embellished.  He constantly  flip flops  in  his stance on  nearly  every  subject , depending on his  audience of the moment.

If  anyone  cares to  search  on Trump's  business  dealings  and the  number  of  lawsuits against him alleging  wrongdoing in his  business practices,  they should be able  to get some idea  how  he will  handle his  Presidency....I  really  don't  like to  see  someone  I  think  acts too  much  like  a  petulant 4  year  old holding the  nuclear  codes.

 On  anotheer  subject .. As far  as  voter fraud  and  manipulating goes .. There  has never  been any  proof of  widespread voter  fraud, or  voter fraud  actually  swaying  an election ..  I've seen  more  GOP  supporters  convicted  of attempted  fraud than I've seen  of   Dems  doing it .. I'm  sure there  is some attempted  by  supporters  of  both  parties;  but  none  successful  in swaying an  election ;  with the   exception  of gerrymandering  and voter suppression.

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7 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

She has  been and  is still  very  unpopular  because  of the constant barrage  of  unfounded allegations  against her. 

I wouldn't say they are all unfounded.  A lot of people don't like her because she's a Clinton.  You have to figure Baby Boomers were in their prime with Bill and he made Rush Limbaugh popular.  A lot of people are unhappy with career-politicians and none more epitomizes that than a Clinton.

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Ramifications  of the  Russia  thing? If it is true  that  Putin   has tapes proving the  allegations  against him,  and  possibly  a lot  more  in shady  business dealings,  it could give them  a  great deal  of  leverage   on  him.

Putin will have leverage on Trump?  What would Putin make Trump do?

With friendship comes leverage.  If you and I decide to go fishing, there's no doubt I could influence where we fish.  But so what?  If we're friends, all we really wanna do is fish and have fun.  How many guys sit in boats together and manage not to throw the other guy overboard?  I guess I'm saying I don't understand that the big deal is.

 

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Trump is a narcissist by all  accounts . . He  doesn't  like to  look  bad. In  my opinion he  doesn't  know  how to  tell the truth .. Everything  he  says  is embellished.  He constantly  flip flops  in  his stance on  nearly  every  subject , depending on his  audience of the moment.

If  anyone  cares to  search  on Trump's  business  dealings  and the  number  of  lawsuits against him alleging  wrongdoing in his  business practices,  they should be able  to get some idea  how  he will  handle his  Presidency....I  really  don't  like to  see  someone  I  think  acts too  much  like  a  petulant 4  year  old holding the  nuclear  codes.

Yeah, he's a narcissist.  A little more than most presidents.

I don't know much about the lawsuits.  I'm sure he will step on toes.  He's not going to use nukes.  He's a narcissist, remember?  How's he going to look good with the world in ashes?  He's going to do the thing that he thinks will make him look like the best president ever.

 

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 On  anotheer  subject .. As far  as  voter fraud  and  manipulating goes .. There  has never  been any  proof of  widespread voter  fraud, or  voter fraud  actually  swaying  an election ..  I've seen  more  GOP  supporters  convicted  of attempted  fraud than I've seen  of   Dems  doing it .. I'm  sure there  is some attempted  by  supporters  of  both  parties;  but  none  successful  in swaying an  election ;  with the   exception  of gerrymandering  and voter suppression.

I have no idea.  I was just being funny.  Search for voter fraud and it's all jokes at the democrat's expense.

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13 minutes ago, JustRandy said:

I wouldn't say they are all unfounded.  A lot of people don't like her because she's a Clinton.  You have to figure Baby Boomers were in their prime with Bill and he made Rush Limbaugh popular.  A lot of people are unhappy with career-politicians and none more epitomizes that than a Clinton.

 

Putin will have leverage on Trump?  What would Putin make Trump do?

With friendship comes leverage.  If you and I decide to go fishing, there's no doubt I could influence where we fish.  But so what?  If we're friends, all we really wanna do is fish and have fun.  How many guys sit in boats together and manage not to throw the other guy overboard?  I guess I'm saying I don't understand that the big deal is.

 

 

There is a tremendous difference  between  friends going  fishing,hunting  or participating any  other  sport or  activity,  and  politicians  dealing  in international  affairs. Those politicians decide what  direction the country is going in with respect to business and  influence  .  Friends  out fishing or hunting  don't  have the potential to throw the world into  a war or disastrous trade  laws.

I have  friends  who  differ greatly  with me  in  views on racism, immigrants  and "liberal / conservative"  views ..  We  remain  friends  and   agree to  differ  in  our  views.. just  as  I  offer to  help  others  in forums where  I  can  without any regard to their social  views.  

What  bothers  me  most with  so  many  on  both extremes especially ,  and   far too many  that  are more moderate , is that the   extremes  refuse to   consider  anything  that  doesn't  some from    their  sites that  support their  views , and so  many in the  middle  don't take the time  to  sort out the truth  from  all  the   propaganda half truths and outright lies  put out  by  those  on the  far  sides.  The years  of  Clinton  bashing  and   the 8  years of Obama's administration  are  prime  examples  of  far too  much propaganda  and far  too little  looking for the truth. That  barrage  from the  far  right  and the  Extreme Right Wing  is  what  has  led to  the situation today  where  people  are  so badly  divided; and somebody  who  never  should even  have   gotten  out  of the  bottom of the  primary   is  going to  become  your  President .

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At the end of the day, I have a $6000 a year deductible on my medical plan I didn't have before Obamacare. Same out of pocket premiums, same big company sponsored medical so why so much different and going up every year since ACA?. Everyone I talk to is pissed about the medical. I used to go to the doctor and have a $25 copay, now I get a "coinsurance" $65 bill plus extra, extra...whatever they decide to code..lol.

Yes Comey came out with the claim at the end, but what really started making it turn worse for her was all the news coverage at the end on increasing premiums for the ACA which reminded everyone that they pay more with a democrat in the office and the ACA in place. When you hit someone's pocket, you dont get their vote. It's always been like that with the middle class. I do not in no manner agree with paying more so we can insure more people. This is a capitalistic society and it needs to stay like that. Work hard and get rewarded, don't work...don't expect much. Take care of your sick, elderly, veterans, children and maybe help some single parents in need. The rest go get a job.

There has to be something said for all these companies agreeing to invest in the US before Trump is even president, because they know its going to be more corporate friendly and that creates jobs, not the government. 

Now back to the funny stuff...:D

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24 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

There is a tremendous difference  between  friends going  fishing,hunting  or participating any  other  sport or  activity,  and  politicians  dealing  in international  affairs. Those politicians decide what  direction the country is going in with respect to business and  influence  .  Friends  out fishing or hunting  don't  have the potential to throw the world into  a war or disastrous trade  laws.

I have  friends  who  differ greatly  with me  in  views on racism, immigrants  and "liberal / conservative"  views ..  We  remain  friends  and   agree to  differ  in  our  views.. just  as  I  offer to  help  others  in forums where  I  can  without any regard to their social  views.  

What's the difference in friends going hunting and trusting each other with guns and friends trusting each other with nukes?

Does Putin seem so bad to you?

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 The years  of  Clinton  bashing  and   the 8  years of Obama's administration  are  prime  examples  of  far too  much propaganda  and far  too little  looking for the truth. That  barrage  from the  far  right  and the  Extreme Right Wing  is  what  has  led to  the situation today  where  people  are  so badly  divided; and somebody  who  never  should even  have   gotten  out  of the  bottom of the  primary   is  going to  become  your  President .

The people have been divided for a long time, but this time they had a lot invested in the election.  Male vs female, right vs left, businessman vs politician, nationalism vs globalism,,, it was all on the line this time.  Trump is even the first real threat to abortion since Roe v Wade.  It's like Boom, one swoop and everything changed.  So, the people haven't changed... it's was the extreme polarization of the candidates this time.  What seems strange to me is this sort of thing is in the air.  Brexit then Trump.  Who's next?

I've noticed wherever I go (news sites, financial sites, youtube, atvs, bikes, whatever) it seems to be dominated by conservatives.  How is it that more people voted for Hillary when I rarely see a Hillary supporter?  Do liberals not get online?  Where are they? 

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What  bothers  me  most with  so  many  on  both extremes especially ,  and   far too many  that  are more moderate , is that the   extremes  refuse to   consider  anything  that  doesn't  some from    their  sites that  support their  views , and so  many in the  middle  don't take the time  to  sort out the truth  from  all  the   propaganda half truths and outright lies  put out  by  those  on the  far  sides.

That's people in general.  No one wants to be wrong once they've made their mind up about something.  When I read news, I check the comments.  Sometimes I skip the article and just read the comments.  The comments are what validates the truthfulness of the news.

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Dave, I deeply respect your opinion but may I say that you obviously did plenty of homework on Trump but I don't think you may have the same with Hillary. I'm sure I could be wrong.

Allow me to explain like this please: The wife hated trump. I told her that I believed in educating yourself on both candidates and vote as you see fit.

So she did. She looked up Clinton and Trump like a FBI agent. No rhetoric  he said- she said just what she considered truth. 

To sum it up, (as usual) there was a lesser of the evils. Trump. I was proud of her. Not for who but for the work she put into both sides.

We'll see is correct statement for all.

So anyway... horse goes into a bar. the bartender says: hey buddy why the long face...

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1 hour ago, LT80 said:

Dave, I deeply respect your opinion but may I say that you obviously did plenty of homework on Trump but I don't think you may have the same with Hillary. I'm sure I could be wrong.

Not hard to "do  homework on Trump"  when  you  see  him flip flopping ,  see the   long  list of companies in court  with him, and  knowing   of  one company here  is BC  that was victim of his shorting on  paying in full  on a  contract and the company  not having enough resources to take  him  on in court. 

As far  as Hillary is concerned, I don't agree with  all  her stances,  in some things  she's  more hawkish than  I'd like to see.  I do   remember  the  Bill Clinton  years, and I do  catch  the  news regularly  and see where  she  has stood on issues while  she  was  Secretary  of State. I've also  read all  the accusations  of the  ERW against  the  Clinton  Foundation and  her   handling  of Benghazi. I  have found nothing that shows anything  not on the  up and up   on the  Foundation and how it  handles the  charity, and   I'm  sure  you   would also  admit  there really  was   nothing  she could have done directly  about  Benghazi and  the  loss of the diplomats.. She  could only  go  on  the information   given to  her  by  those more directly involved... There  is also the  question of the  financing  for the  embassies  and troops..  The  GOP  controlled  cuts to the  funding  for them   is also to  blame   for the  less than  adequate security.. And, as I  said before ,  despite all  the accusations  put  out  by the  ERW and the millions of taxpayers   money wasted  by them   on a witch hunt trying to find something ,  anything  they  can charge  her  with ,  they  have come  up  with nothing .....  They managed to  severely  damage her  in public opinion,  but  they  did  not find her doing anything illegal. I cannot say the  same for  Trump.

I  live  only  about  10  miles  north  of the  BC / Wa.  border,  have  friends and family  in the  US, and watch  news services  from   both local, national, and  American  sources,  with  a smattering  of  BBC  and international news, so  I stay reasonably up  on  what's going  on.  It also  helps to  have many net  friends in both  Canada and several  US  states  , as well  as some international  friends in  both Europe  and  Asia.

Randy ,   I too  see far more   out there  from  "conservatives"  than  from "liberals", in fact  the  conservatives  I  see the  most  from   are the  ERW.. They are the  ones  trying everything they can to  stop  anything they  equate  with  "socialism" whether  it  is   in the  interest  of the  country  or not .. They cannot   take themselves out  of the  old cold war  and the rhetoric   of those days.  Moderate  conservatives seem to  be  afraid to  speak up   against  the  radicals,  maybe  for  fear  of being  branded  with that  terrible "liberal or socialist /  progressive" name  they  demonize the  Dems  with.  When  you talk to  people  in  China,  Malaysia and  Europe, you tend to get  a different  perspective  on how they  live  and view  their  governments  than  what  you  get  from the  ERW's ravings. 

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Randy , to  see  the difference between  seeing  Putin  as  a hunting /  fishing  friend or  one  you  can trust at  all just  search on  " Putin  polonium "  if  you  don't recall  events in  the  UK  in 2006 that  Putin was  accused of  ordering.

 

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22 hours ago, Ajmboy said:

Had to unlock this topic because the funny news just keeps coming...lol! Latest SNL below..funny stuff.

 

This was classic !!

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11 hours ago, davefrombc said:

Randy ,   I too  see far more   out there  from  "conservatives"  than  from "liberals", in fact  the  conservatives  I  see the  most  from   are the  ERW.. They are the  ones  trying everything they can to  stop  anything they  equate  with  "socialism" whether  it  is   in the  interest  of the  country  or not .. They cannot   take themselves out  of the  old cold war  and the rhetoric   of those days.  Moderate  conservatives seem to  be  afraid to  speak up   against  the  radicals,  maybe  for  fear  of being  branded  with that  terrible "liberal or socialist /  progressive" name  they  demonize the  Dems  with.  When  you talk to  people  in  China,  Malaysia and  Europe, you tend to get  a different  perspective  on how they  live  and view  their  governments  than  what  you  get  from the  ERW's ravings. 

I think you're pretty close to hitting the nail on the head there.

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All overwhelmingly male and of the baby boomer generation.  What can explain that?

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11 hours ago, davefrombc said:

Randy , to  see  the difference between  seeing  Putin  as  a hunting /  fishing  friend or  one  you  can trust at  all just  search on  " Putin  polonium "  if  you  don't recall  events in  the  UK  in 2006 that  Putin was  accused of  ordering.

 

Censorship is the one thing you may have against Putin.

In 2013, Russia enacted laws banning "propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations"

Putin also defends Russia's controversial gay "propaganda" law. "I don't see anything un-democratic in this legal act," Putin tells 60 Minutes. "I believe we should leave kids in peace. We should give them a chance to grow, help them to realize who they are and decide for themselves. Do they consider themselves a man or a woman? A female? A male? Do they want to live in a normal, natural marriage or a non-traditional one? That's the only thing I wanted to talk about. I don't see here any infringement on the rights of gay people."  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/putin-talks-gay-rights-on-60-minutes/

Grandpa fought in WWII and worked half a century to earn the right to sit in his chair and be compelled to watch to men smooching.  It just isn't right.  Gays can be gay, just stay out of grandpa's living room.  I think that is what Putin is trying to do, but the media wants to paint a picture of how common homosexuality is so it will be more accepted.  It's propaganda and some feel it is helping to destroy the family, which I think Putin agrees.  It doesn't make Putin a bad man.

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Randy , to  see  the difference between  seeing  Putin  as  a hunting /  fishing  friend or  one  you  can trust at  all just  search on  " Putin  polonium "  if  you  don't recall  events in  the  UK  in 2006 that  Putin was  accused of  ordering.

What I have against Putin  is that those that  don't agree with  him  or actively oppose him   have a  strange  habit of turning up  dead.  Putin  is ruthless  in his control  of Russia, and in his  desire  to   hold sway  over  other  nations.

If  you  didn't  bother  to  search on Putin  and  polonium,   I'll  make it simple  for you and give you a  link  to  click.  Litvinenko isn't the  only  one to  die  or end  up   in  a  Russian  prison  because he opposed  Putin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko

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1 hour ago, davefrombc said:

Randy , to  see  the difference between  seeing  Putin  as  a hunting /  fishing  friend or  one  you  can trust at  all just  search on  " Putin  polonium "  if  you  don't recall  events in  the  UK  in 2006 that  Putin was  accused of  ordering.

What I have against Putin  is that those that  don't agree with  him  or actively oppose him   have a  strange  habit of turning up  dead.  Putin  is ruthless  in his control  of Russia, and in his  desire  to   hold sway  over  other  nations.

If  you  didn't  bother  to  search on Putin  and  polonium,   I'll  make it simple  for you and give you a  link  to  click.  Litvinenko isn't the  only  one to  die  or end  up   in  a  Russian  prison  because he opposed  Putin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko

I did search.  I read:

During his time in London, Litvinenko wrote two books, Blowing Up Russia: Terror from Within and Lubyanka Criminal Group, wherein he accused the Russian secret services of staging the Russian apartment bombings and other terrorism acts in an effort to bring Vladimir Putin to power. He also accused Putin of ordering the murder in October 2006 of the Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya.

So I figured it's about censorship.

The assassination of Anna Politkovskaya (born 1958), a Russian journalist, writer and human rights activist, took place on 7 October 2006. She was known for her opposition to the Chechen conflict and for criticism of Vladimir Putin.[1][2] She authored several books about the Chechen wars, as well as Putin's Russia, and received numerous international awards for her work. Her murder, believed to be a contract killing, sparked a strong international reaction.

The US does things like that too.  Some accuse the CIA of killing Kennedy and are currently worried about Trump's safety.  All the stories I've read about people being "suicided" in the US over the last year bear little distinction from what Putin is being accused of.

We just don't know the whole story.  Putin is far from Stalin, I think.  We also can't tell if Putin did the killing or if someone else did to set Putin up.  These things are rabbit holes.

Anyway, I think when Stephan Colbert pokes fun at Trump for taking orders from Putin, it's sensationalized.  He's not really taking orders and Putin isn't a big threat, but "Russia" is an emotionally-charged word hearkening from the coldwar period you mentioned in an effort to stigmatize people no different than calling folks "socialists" as a way to rally the mob against someone.  Now if he were friendly with Kim Jong Un, that would be a different story.

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On ‎1‎/‎15‎/‎2017 at 10:32 PM, JustRandy said:

 

 

I've noticed wherever I go (news sites, financial sites, youtube, atvs, bikes, whatever) it seems to be dominated by conservatives.  How is it that more people voted for Hillary when I rarely see a Hillary supporter?  Do liberals not get online?  Where are they? 

 

They are in the cemeteries. 

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On ‎1‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 0:43 PM, davefrombc said:

 

What I have against Putin  is that those that  don't agree with  him  or actively oppose him   have a  strange  habit of turning up  dead.  Putin  is ruthless  in his control  of Russia, and in his  desire  to   hold sway  over  other  nations.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko

Have you seen the list of mysteriously dead people associated with the Clinton's??

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No deer~ when obama got elected I asked ppl if they voted for him. NOT 1 said they did.

To answer on the liberal question~ they are embarrassed. In my 58 years I have yet to see the dems be for the working ppl like they claim. Yet they keep voting in the ones that bend them over the most.

I wear my trump hat and everyone says they like it and that they voted for him.

Dave, clinton innocent of the things she was accused of??? Same as trump. Both are guilty of SOME of the rhetoric.

The wife looked up on clinton. At least 2 books from former staff  explaining that -> Behind the lines she treats the ppl around her lower than dirt. When Matt Lauer (NBC) unexpectedly asked about the emails, she was furious. Got off stage and mother F'd her staff and Lauer,F-er is going to loose his job. Went on and on f-bombing the NBC uppers. She isn't 1/2 of what you claim to know about her.

Clinton has killed more ppl that ebola.

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As far as pence, really? If he could do 1/2 for America that he did for his state, we'd be in great shape. I look foreward to a Pence presidency.

IMO just another example of how dave doesn't give the republicans the same effort in educating himself as dems. One sided. Trumps allegations are all true, non on killary's side.

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We'll see  who is  looking through foggy  glasses  beginning tomorrow.

As far  as  Clinton being involved in suspicious deaths , all  the accusations against her  are coming  from  the ERW;  even  family  members of the victims  discount any  involvement by the  Clintons.

Clinton  may be, and  most likely  is guilty of a quick temper..  I  know a lot of people  who  are,  but that does not  make her  guilty  of  murder  or any other  illegal  activity. She has not been tried,  let  alone convicted  of anything .. Trump,  on the  other  hand  has been tried and convicted  of bad business  practices,  and faces  more accusations in court than any  other President in history.

You  have  a  very  one sided  and  not very  accurate view of what the  two  political  parties  have done  for the    common   guy  over their  administrations.  There  have been  good and  bad  on  both sides, and the  leanings  of the  Dems  and  GOP  have made a  nearly 180  degree swap  since the  '60's..  The  GOP   was the  party  of the  people, and the  Dems ,  especially  the   Good  ole  boy  Southern  Dems  were  the segregationists  and party  of the elite..  Now the roles  have  been  reversed, and that reversal  started  in the  60's.

Try  doing some reading   and news watching in the  main stream  and stay away  from the   extremists. . That  advice  is for those  on  both  sides of the political  fence.  The truth  is out there , but you won't get it from the  likes  of  Breitbart or  any of the  others  who   wrap themselves in the flag  and spout  conspiracy theories  and outright  lies  for  sensationalism. 

Of the  popular  news  services ,  Fox  is the least  likely  to  stick to  facts, although  the others  tend to  favor  one  view  or the  other  to  some degree.

The  same can  be said  of those  on the  far  left.  There  are  the  far  left  nut case  publications both in  print and online  that  are  no  better  with fact and truth then  those on the far right.

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1 hour ago, Ajmboy said:

So today is the big day....Day #1 of the Trump.

My condolences;  and no,  I will not be  watching  his inauguration.

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