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2016 Presidential Election Discussion Thread

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50 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

Even though we have had  universal  care in varying form  here for years across Canada, the  for profit  health care industry  is still spending millions every year trying to  gut it.

I hear the same is going on in the UK.  Step 1: Defund it so it doesn't work.  Step 2: Privatize it for big profits.  Step 3: Government bails it out when it inevitably fails.  They will whittle you down eventually and it will be another glaring "failure" of socialism.

It's like "How many times do we have to beat you down before you get it through your head that socialism never works?"  It's so transparent, but few can what they're doing.  Getting their grubby little hands on social security is like the Holy Grail of big profits, then the taxpayers will really be wringed dry when they have to bail that out.

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3 hours ago, JustRandy said:

I hear the same is going on in the UK.  Step 1: Defund it so it doesn't work.  Step 2: Privatize it for big profits.  Step 3: Government bails it out when it inevitably fails.  They will whittle you down eventually and it will be another glaring "failure" of socialism.

It's like "How many times do we have to beat you down before you get it through your head that socialism never works?"  It's so transparent, but few can what they're doing.  Getting their grubby little hands on social security is like the Holy Grail of big profits, then the taxpayers will really be wringed dry when they have to bail that out.

Yes, they are doing it in the UK too but  Canadians and  people in the UK  are  relatively much  harder  to  fool with the cries of socialism  and "they're trying to  steal your freedom" than   Americans who  have been  deluged with it every time any suggestion of improving social  programs that benefit everyone.  People in the  Commonwealth  are far less afraid of and have more control  over our governments than  Americans do. We can force an election anytime the government gets too far out of line that people want to revolt.  With your Republic,  the most you can do  is try to  impeach and  remove individuals,  and you've seen  how  hard that  is  to  do.  We can force and entirely new election  of all our  federal  politicians at any time through a non confidence vote.  You  have to  wait   2  years to  try to  get rid of half of them  and 4 years  to remove an  incompetent  such as your stable genius if  the senate  won't ratify an impeachment of him.

 The beauty of the internet  and  its ability to  bring  virtually  instant communication to  all  is that the old scare  tactics  of the military / industrial   are  far less effective  in scaring those  that  have enough of an open  mind  to  be able to discuss  social  programs elsewhere, see how they work  and realize they in now way threaten your freedoms. Those screams of "my rights" "socialism and communism"  are having less impact  all the time as people across America  are increasingly  realizing they are bullshit.  They are still  far too effective in the US but it's changing;  more so  in the cities where there is a  lot  more contact  through their  being hubs of trade and international  connections  than  in the farm states and rural  communities where there is far less exposure to people from  other cultures  and political systems.  It's far harder to hate someone or their system  when you  are interacting with them  and in doing so can sort through the facts and BS claims much easier.  Closed minds such as of at least one  demonstrated on this forum  will  never  change, but anyone  who  will take the time  to  discuss and argue points will. The 1%  should feel  increasingly threatened,  and  it isn't going to  end.  Americans  are getting  much  harder to  beat down  by them  and you  in  many ways can thank the WWW for helping toughen them  up.

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