2020 Presidential Election Discussion Thread

[Ajmboy 500]

We had a topic and poll going on  for 2016 presidential election here. This is now for 2020. Please be respectable with open discussion and please vote 🙂

[JustRandy 33]

6 hours ago, Ajmboy said:

Please be respectable with open discussion and please vote

But you didn't vote lol!  I am the only one who voted so far (and I guess it's pretty evident for who lol).

[davefrombc 341]

I voted in the poll too but unfortunately I can't vote in the US election. I do hope there is an overwhelming vote in all states by those not blinded by the tRump cult. The GOP of today is definitely not the GOP of Lincoln's time. To far too many of us it mirrors Germany of the 1930's.

[GrizzlyRider 21]

Although I'm not voting for Biden, I'm not voting for Trump because he is a model president...but out of the two I'd rather see him stay in office. I was not a fan of Obama/Biden even though I voted for Obama and then Romney. Lately democrats are just too far left for me and Biden really does have some "old age" coming out, which I don't think is well suited to be the commander in chief. They really should have put up a better candidate. I'm somewhere in the middle but leaning more republican. Polls however show Biden in the lead and if he wins without having any real platform except to get rid of Trump, Hillary is going to freak out....I bet she wishes she got back in it one more time...lol.

[JustRandy 33]

1 hour ago, GrizzlyRider said:

They really should have put up a better candidate.

The DNC went to all the trouble of rigging the primary to get Biden in there to stop Bernie and Medicare For All in order to protect the rich.  They admitted in court that they rigged it in 2016 for Hillary and it's the right of a corporation to conduct its own election any way it sees fit, including rigging it, and that since Bernie donors knew it was rigged when they donated they were not entitled to refunds and the case was dismissed.  I think they're appealing to higher court now.  Backstabbing Bernie is the #1 reason I'm voting for Trump. 

The US general election is essentially a republican primary.  If Biden were actually on the left, I would vote for him, but Biden exists specifically to stop progressives and that's why they're propping up a sick old man.

https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/
http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/wasserman-schultz-dnc-rigged-primary-judge-dismisses-fraud-lawsuit

Once Biden is installed, Obamacare (ie Romneycare) will be entrenched which will forever prevent Medicare For All.  Obamacare puts the burden of healthcare on the middle class with high premiums while the rich profit.  Medicare For All puts the burden on the rich.  That is why billionaires support Biden over Trump 2 to 1.  That's why Biden is raking in the money while Trump is collecting small donations (like Bernie).  That's why the media and every establishment is making it seem so imperative that Biden wins.  If Trump wins, then it's a mere 4 years until progressives can try again, but if Biden wins then progressives are done for at least 12 years.

Our only hope at this point is the SCOTUS will strike down Obamacare which will leave Medicare For All as the only possibility.

 

Biden and the DNC are the greatest evil and that's why I'm voting R down the line.

 

[davefrombc 341]

Medicare for all is really Obamacare under another name. Biden is a lot more middle of the road than Bernie. You can see that by how the far left cry he is on theright and a supporter of the rich over them ; and the right cry he is taking everyone to  "socialism"  The left have to face reality that the right is going to be kicking and screaming at any move towards a single payer, medicare for all. It has to be done a step at a time just as it has been done in every other western nation. Ours has been a work in progress since 1947 and it is still evolving with our right wing Conservatives trying to gut it and bring back private insurance, A lot of the attempts by the right to take us back are funded to  some extent by the US  private healthcare industry.

I must say I see a lot of Jimmy Dore Utubes posted up  in other forums I'm  in  and  they all twist the truth and facts  to  an ERW slant.  Dore , Carlson , Hannity  and most of Fox "news" are all as full  of it as a major stockyard

There are others that may have been  a better choice than Biden, but for the realists that see improvements to healthcare and other social issues can  only be achieved through middle of the road policies that neither too far left  at once nor allow the right to  continue as it  has. America has been  kept divided  and controlled by the military / industrial complex through their "anti-socialism"  rhetoric and scare tactics  for  the  last century.  Changing that  doesn't come swiftly or painlessly.  Americans have been  told the lies so long they are  very reluctant to  realize they are not the truth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JustRandy 33]

5 hours ago, davefrombc said:

Medicare for all is really Obamacare under another name.

That's like saying Biden is Trump under another name, which is actually more true than what you said.

Medicare for all (MFA) is 4% tax on income above $29k.  So if you make $29k or less, you pay nothing.  No co-pays, no deductibles, no bills, no nothing.  You just go to the doctor and that's it.

Obamacare (ACA) mandates you buy insurance which allows insurance companies to name their price since you have to buy it by law.  Wouldn't it be nice if the gov made everyone in the country buy your product?

ACA = Insurance company stocks go to the moon = rich people get richer.

MFA = Insurance companies go out of business = rich people get poorer.

The ave cost of insurance is $6000.

4% of ($179,000 -$29,000) = $6000.

MFA = Everyone making less than $179,000 will save money.  Someone making $1 million will pay $38,840.

ACA = Someone making $1 million will pay $6000.

So you can see that ACA puts all the burden on the middle class with high premiums while the rich profit.  MFA puts all the burden on the rich while the poor profit.

The ACA was designed specifically to prevent MFA from happening.  It is a republican plan originally called Romneycare where the intention is to provide at least something to the poor before the people get angry and demand socialized medicine.  What could be more evil?

Doctor #1 (Trump) will do nothing for you.

Doctor #2 (Biden) will do everything in his power to prevent you from getting a cure, but will give you an analgesic.

Why would you choose someone who promised to do everything in his power to prevent you from having the cure?  I'd rather have nothing at all than to have a stumbling block placed in my path.

6 hours ago, davefrombc said:

Biden is a lot more middle of the road than Bernie.

Biden exists specifically to stop Bernie.  Biden is Bernie's antithesis.

1,040,883,133 Reasons Why Bernie’s Supporters Will Never Support Joe Biden https://ridethefence.com/2020/04/09/1040883133-reasons-why-bernies-supporters-will-never-support-joe-biden-seriously-we-counted/

Warmonger: Biden advocated for war with Iraq long before 9/11 and supported the war in Afghanistan.

Racist: In the ’70s, he advocated for segregation, claiming the decision was based on “black pride.” He opposed busing as well, and has been called out on it many times over the years, even by Kamala Harris.

His choices disenfranchised at least 22,600,000 African Americans at the time. In 1977, he said that if desegregation isn’t done properly, his kids will end up having to grow up in “a racial jungle with tensions having built so high that it is going to explode at some point.”

Prison-Industrial Complex Enthusiast:  He took it further in the mid ’90s, writing the The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. This bill hurt millions of Americans, although it disproportionately affected African Americans.

Ageist & Hater of Veterans: Innumerable attempts to cut funding for Social Security, Medicare, and veterans’ programs.

Anti-Choice Activist:  The Hyde Amendment, which prevents tax dollars from funding abortion, arguably prevents mainly poor women from receiving them. Although most democrats vocally denounce it, Biden retained his stance until recently.

Xenophobe:  From 2009 to 2016, Obama and Biden’s administration was responsible for overseeing the deportation of over 3,000,000 undocumented immigrants, averaging nearly 400,000 a year.

Godfather of Orwellian Surveillance of U.S. Citizens:  Biden wrote a bill in 1995, The Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995, which was tailored to fit the “needs” of George W. Bush in 2001–it became The Patriot Act.

Staunch Supporter of Student Loan Debt:  Biden helped pass The Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention And Consumer Protection Act of 2005. This bill not only made filing bankruptcy much more difficult, but it most notably removed student loans from erasable debt.

American Jobs Executioner:  Biden voted for NAFTA among other pathetic trade agreements.

How could Biden be more to the right???  Biden is even to the right of Trump.

We could give more reasons, but if this won’t convince you, nothing will. Just admit that you don’t care how terrible he is. Say it out loud for us:  “I don’t mind voting for a War criminal, Prison-industrial complex enthusiast, Racist, Ageist, Hater of veterans, Anti-choice activist, Xenophobe, Homophobe, Godfather of Orwellian surveillance of U.S. Citizens, Staunch supporter of student loan debt, American jobs executioner, Pedophile, Rapist, and Sundowner because I hate Trump so much."

6 hours ago, davefrombc said:

It has to be done a step at a time

It cannot be done one step at a time because with each step the motivation to continue taking steps will decline.  The more people who have access to healthcare means there is less motivation to provide care to more people.

If there is 1 homeless person will the gov do anything?  How about 10?  100?  1000?  100,000?  How many homeless must exist before the gov will address the problem?  So the key is to keep the number of homeless right at the number where no one regards it as a problem.  100,000 homeless is probably acceptable, so there can never be motivation to reduce the number to zero.  Same with healthcare: the more people have it, the less motivation to provide more of it.  One step at a time is guaranteed not to work.

6 hours ago, davefrombc said:

I must say I see a lot of Jimmy Dore

Because he speaks the truth.

 

Biden "it provides 53 death penalty offenses... we do everything but hang people for jaywalking in this bill!"  I can't see Trump saying anything so sinister.

[davefrombc 341]

LOL  Jimmy Dore and the truth are not exactly compatible. I see your post as that of a true tRump  cultist.  If it makes you feel  any better , we have more than  our share of them  up  here too. Minds are made up, don't try confusing them  with facts and figures that don't fit their preconceptions.  As far as tRump not saying anything so  sinister as Biden's comment (taken  out of context) you haven't listened very closely to  many of his comments and actions, 

Many , if not most of the things Biden  has been falsely accused of both morally and legally have been presented against tRump  by witnesses and federal  investigation conclusions , but tRump  cannot be charged while in office thanks to the GOP's unproven slant on the Constitution. It will  be interesting if the "unindicted co-conspirator" will face charges for his actions in the last election and  for the many financial and business  practices he as been accused of not exactly sticking to  the law in.

[quadmaniac 68]

59 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

LOL  Jimmy Dore and the truth are not exactly compatible

You can’t really bend the truth behind the CSPAN video, Biden owns the crime bill and all what he pushed for during his career. It is what it is, I think most dems just bank on people not knowing that part of legislative history.
 

I’m curious what everything thinks about the NY POST Hunter Biden article that twitter and Facebook pulled: