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16 minutes ago, JustRandy said:

No, the public has the right to know who their representative is.  The representative has no right to conceal who they are.

 

You keep using that word, "right", yet you seem to have no concept of what it means. It kind of feels like I'm talking to an imbecile at this point. I'll try one more time:

Any candidate, including Biden, Pelosi, or Trump, has a RIGHT to give as much or as little information to the public as they wish. The press usually gets leaks to fill in any blanks, as evidenced in the leak of one of Trump's old tax returns. If they don't pursue the story, that' that. End of story. THE PUBLIC then decides if they're happy with the information given and votes accordingly.

You have no right to anyone's personal information anymore than they have a right to yours. You can NOT have different rights for different people. And that's the last I'll say on the subject with you. Again, I feel you're either trolling (500 posts and a good portion are arguing with people in this thread...) or not mentally equipped to handle the concept of rights vs. privileges. You may be a fine person and operate well in a civilized society, but there seems to be a few fries missing from your happy meal. Best of luck. I'm putting you on "ignore" now.

1 minute ago, JustRandy said:

The public has the right to know whether their prospective representative is: 1) Responsible with money. 2) In debt so much that they are controlled by bankers.  3) Whether they make charitable contributions.  4) Whether they actually pay any tax or because they're so deep in debt that they haven't paid tax in decades while still living a lavish lifestyle.  5) Whether they are actually as rich as they claim in order to determine if they are a liar.

The public has the *RIGHT* to know exactly what the politician offers. No more, no less. The *PRESS* is the one that digs up dirt or whatever on politicians, and they've been woefully absent on Biden, however Trump has become the most investigated president in all of United States History with zero results.

10 hours ago, JustRandy said:

No I'm saying as a matter of ethics that all politicians should be compelled to release returns, which is probably why all of them instinctively do, except Trump.  I'm not saying there is a law enforcing that ethos, but there should be.

 

Ethics don't mean you get to see what a person made or does before he enters public office. You have a right to know if he's taking bribes or doing underhanded dealings, but those wouldn't appear on a tax return (Biden) anyway, so you're just on a witch hunt when you beg for tax returns.

No, you have laws that apply to all or they apply to none. Period. That's how America works.

8 minutes ago, JustRandy said:

Me being safe in my house is entirely different from me seeking public office.  You don't see that?

 

So the laws are the same, but you think they should be different for TRUMP? Biden voluntarily released his returns. He's not currently in business with anyone but the Chinese and Ukranians, which of course isn't on his returns. Trump declined to release his. That's his right. Are you saying rights aren't universal?

37 minutes ago, JustRandy said:

If he hasn't broken any laws, then what could his enemies do with the information to hurt him?

It seems the only fear is of the truth being exposed.

This has to be the most head-up-your-butt statement I've ever heard. "If you ain't doin nuttin, why aint you lettin the cops in yo house?" Because it's not legal, it's not their business, and it's persecution. We don't do that in this country. Maybe you're from somewhere else though.

26 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

Absolutely

 

One did 2 billion worth of damage to people, killed hundreds, and was perpetuated by democrat governors that refused to act. The other was a bunch of grannies and feds that, once in the capitol, obeyed the velvet roped off areas and left without shooting anyone. Your logic is flawed and your value of life would be fine if you were a psychopath. Not fine if you're a functioning member of society.

21 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

You have just proved  my point.  The farce is strong with tRumpers.

 

So you're saying Jan6 was worse than the BLM riots?

11 minutes ago, JustRandy said:

Submitting tax returns to various entities is fairly routine for us plebs.  Why should our president be any different?  

 

Submitting tax returns  to ONE entity is reasonable for us plebes. I haven't submitted my tax returns to anyone except the IRS, ever. And if someone asked for them, I'd refuse.Forcing someone to give you intimate details about their finances, particularly when they're your enemies, is an abuse of power.

23 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

I find it hard to understand how anyone can blindly worship one of the most corrupt individuals, never mind politician,  the US has ever produced. Despite all the evidence up to and including the Jan. 6 insurrection,  they refuse to believe any of it.

The cult of Donald and his apologists in the House and Senate  goes against everything Americans claim they stand for.

No one worships Trump, it could have been anyone in office for those four years that we had record breaking growth and prosperity and you'd have people that want to see it happen again. As for your "insurrekshun!", That was a riot, not an attempted government takeover. If it had been a takeover, you'd have had armed guards keeping it going instead of, 45 minutes later, they asking people to leave and they simply said, 'Oh, ok." and went home.

The BLM riots from the swamp creatures were much more insurrectionist than anything that happened on Jan 6.

KYS Randy. If you were the target of a witch hunt for 4 years then the most corrupt, conspiratorial politicians on the planet said, "We just wanna see them. We won't do anything!" without cause would you blindly roll over?

19 hours ago, JustRandy said:

Blah,blah,orange man bad

Seems you only want to attribute bad things to him, several very wrongly that started much before he came along, and nothing good. I don't think we're going to come to any agreement here. We'll cancel each other out at the polls.

2 hours ago, JustRandy said:

If Trump had lost in 2016 then covid and all the censorship would not have happened.  And I wouldn't be paying 10% tax on all internet purchases for the rest of my life.

For 20 years I paid no internet sales tax until Trump appointed Gorsuch.  The Obama judges voted against it.

Life would be much better now if Trump had never existed.

You probably don't know it, but the internet tax thing was in motion back in 1991. Ebay had been fighting it along with the Electronics Frontier Foundation since day one, but states were "missing out" on all that revenue and they didn't like it one bit. It's actually a very interesting read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota_v._Wayfair%2C_Inc.

The biggest problem is that the rule in a previous case said "No physical presence, no taxes BECAUSE it was too hard to know how much to collect (undue burden) for each state. With the Kennedy statement that things were different now in 2015, South Dakota was like, "Dude, Kennedy said we should try again!" so they did as fast as they could, which happened to land at the supreme court in 2016.

I also hate paying sales tax online. And in some smaller websites you still don't have to (because they just dont, not because it's legal). But if the only reason you could get away without paying tax was "undue burden' to find the tax rates, then yeah...sadly the ruling was right.

The thing that should have happened is for Congress to immediately write a law saying that taxes could not be charged for interstate commerce. That would have killed it immediately, but as we see Politicians only care about donors.

As for Trump, I think I've saved more than enough in gas, made more than enough in my 401k, and got enough raises in 2016-2020 to make up for the piddling amount of taxes I was forced to pay Amazon. I've definitely come out ahead in Trump's economy. If you look closely enough, I'm sure you did too.

6 hours ago, Dngrs1 said:

I hope he doesn't, it will split the party. He doesn't have to, really. He's installing his operatives in congress during the mid-terms.

I hope he does and if it splits the party they get what they deserve. Trump is the only one that turned the downward slide of America around and showed us what we could be when set free. They couldn't let that stand and now we have exactly the same problems we had under Obama. This country needs someone like Trump to take all the arrows and push unleash the free market again. i just wish he didn't troll the press so much. Too many people think he's serious when he's cracking jokes at/about them and himself.

Subscribed. Some of you guys are all talk and no facts, and I have friends like that. I've learned that with people you can't fix stupid. They just bury their heads in the sand and say, "Nope, nope nope nope" like that buzzard on Bugs Bunny hiding in his mom's feathers.

I know this is old, but thanks for this! I was looking everywhere and it pulled up on a duckduckgo search.