I may have said that wrong, with the valve springs removed and head just sitting on my bench, the valve would slowing fall out. Not loose like the guide is worn, just that the old seals where not tight on the valves. It isn't my atv but when I first started it, it was little noisy, like timing chain slop but quietened with rpms. Is there a way to check cam to crank timing without pulling the front clutch over? I have gut feeling it jumped time just due the fact on TDC on compression stroke my intake valve is close and my exhaust is starting to open. And its not from being way out on lash, I even verified with just push rod. Exhaust valve is definitely trying to open on TDC. Also, like I mentioned it was running great, no smoke, started easy. It just seemed like it bogged a little so wammy hammered it a littler harder and it tried to pickup for just a second but then instantly fell on its face.
This is what I was talking about on the valve seals, normal just seals are where shot.
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