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Lol sounds like we run alike. No big Kitty Cats where I grew up in Vermont either but I am sure that could get a little tense especially if they are hungry! Gators usually here ya coming and split now water Moccasins are another story especially when your swimming up to your neck. Of course I think I will take the temperature of my creek water over yours if it's anything like Vermont. Boars are ok unless they have youngins around. One guy had his buggy TORE UP as he parked where he shouldn't of to watch and was to close. Papa Bore put the horns to his rig before he could get back in an go. Sad thing, guess everyone was freakin an no one thought to shoot some good video LOL. I wish I would of been there for that. Totally agree. I think God gave us Two Ears an Only One Mouth for a reason. An Ol wise man told me when I was young " My Dad " that " People Really Don't Care how much You Know until they Know how much you Care " I think people that build platforms like know the value of bringing people together to help. One of my bucket list items is to go out riding your way. Sounds like you can pretty much run where ever you want too which I really like. Trails are cool and definitely serve a great purpose, but there is just something about blazin a new trail and trying to figure stuff that never gets old for me. An Heck Ya getting stuck is just part of the routine for sure! Have a GREAT afternoon! What's all that White Stuff around that good lookin orange rig, I think I am allergic to that stuff now! At least all the muscles and joints in my body are.

Ulftheandr, that sounds CRAZY DUDE, It's amazing what you can come up with when ya got to. That would call for celebration for sure. Living in the Florida Keys " they day fishing capital of the world " not big on fishing myself though. I actually thought about mounting a Danforth Anchor to my roof for those open field issues as they dig good and can be used to Anchor someone else when they are pulling. Skidder Cable, now that brings back some rough memories for me also. Sounds like ya got some cool rides. When I was young we used to take anything into the woods too. I had a few screws missing sometimes lol. Can relate to your climbing thoughts also it was really steep crazy like that in West Virginia too. The people I was with were older an not to adventurous. I wanted to try to do some black diamond trails as I have watched a ton of videos on them, but no one was interested, and they aren't for solo adventurous I was told. Thanks for sharing!

I'm sure you guys would love it for sure. Night riding is really cool too. It's really nice this time of year too as its 70's temp wise which is beautiful.

Ya NAILED IT Mech, it's basically 57,000 acres of this, with trailers scattered in a small part of it!, This place is located in Central Florida. Elevation of this whole area is only 112' feet above sea level to begin with. It's an awesome place to ride and by far the largest in the east for this type of challenge. This is like dune riding in the aspect you can just blaze a trail anywhere your heart desires if you got the cohonez. Trail riding is fun, I loved West Virginia and am going back, but these are all man made trails that you have to follow, big difference.

Hey Dave I think you are getting your pics mixed up. Yup that orange jeep was another one that my friend Bobby pulled out after he pulled Darren an I out of the river. He was another lone ranger, 4 guys out drinking all along without a winch or anything. when you mentioned jeep Mech was talking about my buggy getting stuck. Hey look as you guys obviously have this thing figured out way better then I please feel free to come out anytime. I will get y'all a guest pass and we can go tear it up together. I am positive there will be plenty of opportunities for you to show us your expertise.

..It wasn't a jeep it was two other side by sides, one that I winches to and he back to me to pull me forward after the other guy got me level again out of the suction from the side. Good ol teamwork got it done. Funny you should mention a jeep, here is a video of us bailing a lifted jeep out though. He was buried all the way to the rockers. This guy was sitting for hours already, 20220723_203706.mp4 we just happened to drive by and see him. He would of been there all night. He was 10 miles from nowhere by himself with girl and kid. Now that's totally crazy out here, no matter what your driving, bring a buddy! Plus it's more fun riding with someone.

It wasn't a jeep it was two other side by sides, one that I winches to and he back to me to pull me forward after the other guy got me level again out of the suction from the side. Good ol teamwork got it done. Funny you should mention a jeep, here is a video of us bailing a lifted jeep out though. He was buried all the way to the rockers. This guy was sitting for hours already, 20220723_203706.mp4 we just happened to drive by and see him. He would of been there all night. He was 10 miles from nowhere by himself with girl and kid. Now that's totally crazy out here, no matter what your driving, bring a buddy! Plus it's more fun riding with someone.

Everyone's idea of going off road to have fun is different and brings different challenges with it. I am looking for some guys that ride aggressive in terrian like myself, already have had my issues, and found a solution that they are happy with by using a particular clutch and tuning setup STM or otherwise, pretty simple. Not interested in gear reduction as previously mentioned I don't think it's necessary. Yes to your earlier question about the lift. There is everything from ten foot swamp buggies on down that ride here. With a little extra height, not much, it will give me enough clearance if I slip into a big wheel hole to power myself out without hanging up most times.

Good Morning Mech, yea you want a Longer wheel base for dune riding. Oh I am well versed at mechanical advantage. I worked for the largest logger in Vermont when I was a kid thinking I wanted to work on heavy equipment. Picture riding in the dunes except it's not sand it's mud an swamp. Your right it's easy to get out of a hole when you have something to strap to. My rig is loaded with pulleys etc. We have actually had to strap rigs together and use pulleys to get a buddy out as we didn't have the weight advantage he was so embedded. All in the fun. He's one for ya.I was riding with him in his Can Am. We crossed this " Stream " a 100 times. It rained and he miscalculated how much it had risen as you really couldn't tell. So you drain um and go bsck at it. We are not fair weather riders. We don't come out to look for another excuse to drink beer, those boys stay on the porch. You say these vehicles weren't made for this, I disagree, guess you haven't watched many videos as there are thousands of great ones where guys, an girls, are seeing exactly what there buggys can do. For me that's the whole reason I purchased it. If I wanted a show piece I would buy another hot rod.

Hey Mech I actually love my buggy I got her " Triple B " all decked out the way I want it and still need to install my lift.. I don't mind the belt drive and love the way it handles and rides. I just need to find a system that's a little more belt friendly for my needs. I haven't given up on this yet. I just Don't have much extra time right now to do more research and testing. So it's stock tires till I do.

Good morning Mech, you are correct as I put in my first Thread, Vivid Racing, one of their trusted suppliers sold me the part. Without writing another book. The sales rep was in contact with them, in order to initially set the clutch up and when I first started having problems.after my second call back to them needing more information they stopped returning my calls so I Tracked down STM myself and started the tuning process over with their tech that was on staff Dustin. Good Guy. Through our dialog and some of your points, I think I need to figure out where the the needs to be riding on both pulleys for max torque. Then figure out what primary and secondary spring pressures I need at a certain rpm to get it there. If your interested? To set the base tune STM got me out on a flat dirt road. I got the buggy rolling to 20 mph, marked my rpm, then held it to the floor till I hit 50 and marked that rpm. and we went from there. Way to much to type from hear but I learned allot from that looking back now because first flag was my buggy wasn't turning the rpm that it should anymore with the extra weight from the tires( hence the STM tunable clutch purchase) When I figured out how to tune it to get the rpms close to where they should be. I couldn't keep a belt on it for any length of time. This is why I reached out. My father was an engineer. At a very young age he taught me if you learn the theory and principles behind how something operates you can fix anything as its just parts an pieces from there so don't be intimated. He could fix anything. I understand the theory of how this functions. I need the " principles " part which is the spring pressures and where and how much weight to be using on the clutch arms to achieve my goal STM started building racing clutches for race sleds, and jumped into dune buggy racing from what I am told. Setting up a clutch to go just blast down a track at 140 or whatever or going balls to the walls in sand dunes is night and day from what I do. I was not told to way later in this process that they had never actually really tuned a clutch for my application. At this point I was not very happy at all, but was, and still am willing to find a solution with Dustin as I believe there is one. I can't fix the past but I sure have the ability change the future with the right information.

Good morning Mech, fair statements, but in fact, while not owning on personally my best friend in Vermont back in 2011 had a 900 rzr an loved it. That is why I chose polaris. I test drove Can Am, put 800 miles on a New Honda Talon in the jungles of Costa Rica chasing a Honda CR 250 all day, which was AWESOME and still feel that I loved the ride handling and the way you sit an drivers view BEST period. I don't just drop 30k on anything without studying. Just trying not to write books here. Yes could gave bought the Honda and eliminated the belt issue all together. They are shaft drive but have very noisy gear cases in my opinion and I didn't like that. As far as breaking in belts, I did read the manual and actually was told by STM that much time wasn't needed. Short heat cycles were the key. I agree with them and have over 750 Miles on my current belt. As far as getting stuck without writing a book. You are correct of I would have been able to keep going without taking out the guy in front of me for stopping short I wouldn't have got stuck, wasn't the case. Ever wonder why when I read the comments about my driving ability my response is just come on down and ride. Mech I am just a big kid and the peeps I ride all the time with are 15 to 25 years younger then me. I have spend my whole younger life tearing up the mountains of Vermont summer an winter on motorcycles, quads, an snowmobiles. I have a little seat time too a just chose not to brag about my abilitys as thatvonly alginate you from people and that's not my goal here. With you or anyone else I too started out my young career as a mechanic and spent half my life in it. I just got sick of coming home smelling like a gas can all the time so chose to switch my profession that all. You never stop being a mechanic. I just do it for my personal stuff now, time permitting. My buggy is fine, everything is aligned perfectly as I bought the diagnostic tools and checked it myself, and it runs and drives fine with the complete stock setup as polaris designed it to do. In Short I need to find a cluch set up, or preferably have Dustin teach me how to correctly tune this one, so I can run my after market tires that work amazing for this type of riding. That is what I really want to do. Have a Great Day!

Lol yea just two ol guys, actually think we both have similar tranes of thoughts just different approaches which is cool. I have no problem accepting responsibility for my actions but I really do feel that with a little more insight I really can achieve my goal and do a good thing for STM too. You may be correct, they may not be interested, God willing that won't be the case. Dustin is a smart guy for sure but for this he needs to be hands on at this point. Sounds like you have had allot more sxs experience then I which is nice. I understand the theory of operation I just don't have the hands on tuning time to put it to practical use. Dustin admitted he hasn't done this type of riding but he's a racer and has that blood. I am sure you know what I'm talking about. I just need to get him in the seat so he can actually feel what's up then he will be able to apply his years of knowledge to probably do in a few days what I couldn't do in a month. That's what I am banking on. All kidding aside thanks for your input on a few trains of thought as I can read between the lines and will keep ya up to date. Maybe we both will learn something that we can pass down to the young bucks lol.

Interesting, so help me out with the math here. I just turned 56 and have been riding since I was 8 so I guess we do have something in common. So you are pushing 70? There is no BS here Mech. What you are not used to, which is ok, is dealing with someone that doesn't roll over when people try to be little them and put them down. Forum's are designed to assist " NEW BEE's " and I personally have no problem admitting when I don't know something. As I mentioned earlier, I am in the people business, and realize the value of people's knowledge and have been blessed with having many issues solved by reaching out and finding people that have had similar issues and love to help. I don't have any problem dealing with nay sayers as in the Sales World every NO is just one step closer to the yes I am looking for. How we got from my belt clutch issues to you being concerned with the age I reached puberty I will never know, but obviously you think I am allot younger then I am. As an FYI I started my first two businesses when I was in 4th grade. My father (rest his sole) said if I wanted a motorcycle I was going to have to get a job so I got a paper route full time getting up every morning at 3:30 am, Living in Vermont, and had a second job mowing my neighborhood lawns in he summer and shoveling their driveways in the winter. I guess we both have something else in common there too. You have a GREAT NIGHT!

As I promised here is a copy of the email I just sent to Dustin at STM. I will keep y'all informed of my progress. Come on Mech don't be a hater! I see an opportunity to turn a problem into a success story. Otherwise I would not invest the time. If you don't want to consider me a friend or whatever that is fine. I happen to think all people have value and something good to offer no matter what the circumstance. You got to stop being apart of the problem and be apart of the solution, and that doesn't mean writing people off. I happen to believe there is one and I know if I get a chance to work with Dustin we can probably find one that will help us both out. Doesn't that make sense?