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Lol sounds like we run alike. No big Kitty Cats where I grew up in Vermont either but I am sure that could get a little tense especially if they are hungry! Gators usually here ya coming and split now water Moccasins are another story especially when your swimming up to your neck. Of course I think I will take the temperature of my creek water over yours if it's anything like Vermont. Boars are ok unless they have youngins around. One guy had his buggy TORE UP as he parked where he shouldn't of to watch and was to close. Papa Bore put the horns to his rig before he could get back in an go. Sad thing, guess everyone was freakin an no one thought to shoot some good video LOL. I wish I would of been there for that. Totally agree. I think God gave us Two Ears an Only One Mouth for a reason. An Ol wise man told me when I was young " My Dad " that " People Really Don't Care how much You Know until they Know how much you Care " I think people that build platforms like know the value of bringing people together to help. One of my bucket list items is to go out riding your way. Sounds like you can pretty much run where ever you want too which I really like. Trails are cool and definitely serve a great purpose, but there is just something about blazin a new trail and trying to figure stuff that never gets old for me. An Heck Ya getting stuck is just part of the routine for sure! Have a GREAT afternoon! What's all that White Stuff around that good lookin orange rig, I think I am allergic to that stuff now! At least all the muscles and joints in my body are.

Ulftheandr, that sounds CRAZY DUDE, It's amazing what you can come up with when ya got to. That would call for celebration for sure. Living in the Florida Keys " they day fishing capital of the world " not big on fishing myself though. I actually thought about mounting a Danforth Anchor to my roof for those open field issues as they dig good and can be used to Anchor someone else when they are pulling. Skidder Cable, now that brings back some rough memories for me also. Sounds like ya got some cool rides. When I was young we used to take anything into the woods too. I had a few screws missing sometimes lol. Can relate to your climbing thoughts also it was really steep crazy like that in West Virginia too. The people I was with were older an not to adventurous. I wanted to try to do some black diamond trails as I have watched a ton of videos on them, but no one was interested, and they aren't for solo adventurous I was told. Thanks for sharing!

I'm sure you guys would love it for sure. Night riding is really cool too. It's really nice this time of year too as its 70's temp wise which is beautiful.

Ya NAILED IT Mech, it's basically 57,000 acres of this, with trailers scattered in a small part of it!, This place is located in Central Florida. Elevation of this whole area is only 112' feet above sea level to begin with. It's an awesome place to ride and by far the largest in the east for this type of challenge. This is like dune riding in the aspect you can just blaze a trail anywhere your heart desires if you got the cohonez. Trail riding is fun, I loved West Virginia and am going back, but these are all man made trails that you have to follow, big difference.

Hey Dave I think you are getting your pics mixed up. Yup that orange jeep was another one that my friend Bobby pulled out after he pulled Darren an I out of the river. He was another lone ranger, 4 guys out drinking all along without a winch or anything. when you mentioned jeep Mech was talking about my buggy getting stuck. Hey look as you guys obviously have this thing figured out way better then I please feel free to come out anytime. I will get y'all a guest pass and we can go tear it up together. I am positive there will be plenty of opportunities for you to show us your expertise.

..It wasn't a jeep it was two other side by sides, one that I winches to and he back to me to pull me forward after the other guy got me level again out of the suction from the side. Good ol teamwork got it done. Funny you should mention a jeep, here is a video of us bailing a lifted jeep out though. He was buried all the way to the rockers. This guy was sitting for hours already, 20220723_203706.mp4 we just happened to drive by and see him. He would of been there all night. He was 10 miles from nowhere by himself with girl and kid. Now that's totally crazy out here, no matter what your driving, bring a buddy! Plus it's more fun riding with someone.

It wasn't a jeep it was two other side by sides, one that I winches to and he back to me to pull me forward after the other guy got me level again out of the suction from the side. Good ol teamwork got it done. Funny you should mention a jeep, here is a video of us bailing a lifted jeep out though. He was buried all the way to the rockers. This guy was sitting for hours already, 20220723_203706.mp4 we just happened to drive by and see him. He would of been there all night. He was 10 miles from nowhere by himself with girl and kid. Now that's totally crazy out here, no matter what your driving, bring a buddy! Plus it's more fun riding with someone.

Everyone's idea of going off road to have fun is different and brings different challenges with it. I am looking for some guys that ride aggressive in terrian like myself, already have had my issues, and found a solution that they are happy with by using a particular clutch and tuning setup STM or otherwise, pretty simple. Not interested in gear reduction as previously mentioned I don't think it's necessary. Yes to your earlier question about the lift. There is everything from ten foot swamp buggies on down that ride here. With a little extra height, not much, it will give me enough clearance if I slip into a big wheel hole to power myself out without hanging up most times.

Good Morning Mech, yea you want a Longer wheel base for dune riding. Oh I am well versed at mechanical advantage. I worked for the largest logger in Vermont when I was a kid thinking I wanted to work on heavy equipment. Picture riding in the dunes except it's not sand it's mud an swamp. Your right it's easy to get out of a hole when you have something to strap to. My rig is loaded with pulleys etc. We have actually had to strap rigs together and use pulleys to get a buddy out as we didn't have the weight advantage he was so embedded. All in the fun. He's one for ya.I was riding with him in his Can Am. We crossed this " Stream " a 100 times. It rained and he miscalculated how much it had risen as you really couldn't tell. So you drain um and go bsck at it. We are not fair weather riders. We don't come out to look for another excuse to drink beer, those boys stay on the porch. You say these vehicles weren't made for this, I disagree, guess you haven't watched many videos as there are thousands of great ones where guys, an girls, are seeing exactly what there buggys can do. For me that's the whole reason I purchased it. If I wanted a show piece I would buy another hot rod.

Hey Mech I actually love my buggy I got her " Triple B " all decked out the way I want it and still need to install my lift.. I don't mind the belt drive and love the way it handles and rides. I just need to find a system that's a little more belt friendly for my needs. I haven't given up on this yet. I just Don't have much extra time right now to do more research and testing. So it's stock tires till I do.

Good morning Mech, you are correct as I put in my first Thread, Vivid Racing, one of their trusted suppliers sold me the part. Without writing another book. The sales rep was in contact with them, in order to initially set the clutch up and when I first started having problems.after my second call back to them needing more information they stopped returning my calls so I Tracked down STM myself and started the tuning process over with their tech that was on staff Dustin. Good Guy. Through our dialog and some of your points, I think I need to figure out where the the needs to be riding on both pulleys for max torque. Then figure out what primary and secondary spring pressures I need at a certain rpm to get it there. If your interested? To set the base tune STM got me out on a flat dirt road. I got the buggy rolling to 20 mph, marked my rpm, then held it to the floor till I hit 50 and marked that rpm. and we went from there. Way to much to type from hear but I learned allot from that looking back now because first flag was my buggy wasn't turning the rpm that it should anymore with the extra weight from the tires( hence the STM tunable clutch purchase) When I figured out how to tune it to get the rpms close to where they should be. I couldn't keep a belt on it for any length of time. This is why I reached out. My father was an engineer. At a very young age he taught me if you learn the theory and principles behind how something operates you can fix anything as its just parts an pieces from there so don't be intimated. He could fix anything. I understand the theory of how this functions. I need the " principles " part which is the spring pressures and where and how much weight to be using on the clutch arms to achieve my goal STM started building racing clutches for race sleds, and jumped into dune buggy racing from what I am told. Setting up a clutch to go just blast down a track at 140 or whatever or going balls to the walls in sand dunes is night and day from what I do. I was not told to way later in this process that they had never actually really tuned a clutch for my application. At this point I was not very happy at all, but was, and still am willing to find a solution with Dustin as I believe there is one. I can't fix the past but I sure have the ability change the future with the right information.

Good morning Mech, fair statements, but in fact, while not owning on personally my best friend in Vermont back in 2011 had a 900 rzr an loved it. That is why I chose polaris. I test drove Can Am, put 800 miles on a New Honda Talon in the jungles of Costa Rica chasing a Honda CR 250 all day, which was AWESOME and still feel that I loved the ride handling and the way you sit an drivers view BEST period. I don't just drop 30k on anything without studying. Just trying not to write books here. Yes could gave bought the Honda and eliminated the belt issue all together. They are shaft drive but have very noisy gear cases in my opinion and I didn't like that. As far as breaking in belts, I did read the manual and actually was told by STM that much time wasn't needed. Short heat cycles were the key. I agree with them and have over 750 Miles on my current belt. As far as getting stuck without writing a book. You are correct of I would have been able to keep going without taking out the guy in front of me for stopping short I wouldn't have got stuck, wasn't the case. Ever wonder why when I read the comments about my driving ability my response is just come on down and ride. Mech I am just a big kid and the peeps I ride all the time with are 15 to 25 years younger then me. I have spend my whole younger life tearing up the mountains of Vermont summer an winter on motorcycles, quads, an snowmobiles. I have a little seat time too a just chose not to brag about my abilitys as thatvonly alginate you from people and that's not my goal here. With you or anyone else I too started out my young career as a mechanic and spent half my life in it. I just got sick of coming home smelling like a gas can all the time so chose to switch my profession that all. You never stop being a mechanic. I just do it for my personal stuff now, time permitting. My buggy is fine, everything is aligned perfectly as I bought the diagnostic tools and checked it myself, and it runs and drives fine with the complete stock setup as polaris designed it to do. In Short I need to find a cluch set up, or preferably have Dustin teach me how to correctly tune this one, so I can run my after market tires that work amazing for this type of riding. That is what I really want to do. Have a Great Day!

Lol yea just two ol guys, actually think we both have similar tranes of thoughts just different approaches which is cool. I have no problem accepting responsibility for my actions but I really do feel that with a little more insight I really can achieve my goal and do a good thing for STM too. You may be correct, they may not be interested, God willing that won't be the case. Dustin is a smart guy for sure but for this he needs to be hands on at this point. Sounds like you have had allot more sxs experience then I which is nice. I understand the theory of operation I just don't have the hands on tuning time to put it to practical use. Dustin admitted he hasn't done this type of riding but he's a racer and has that blood. I am sure you know what I'm talking about. I just need to get him in the seat so he can actually feel what's up then he will be able to apply his years of knowledge to probably do in a few days what I couldn't do in a month. That's what I am banking on. All kidding aside thanks for your input on a few trains of thought as I can read between the lines and will keep ya up to date. Maybe we both will learn something that we can pass down to the young bucks lol.

Interesting, so help me out with the math here. I just turned 56 and have been riding since I was 8 so I guess we do have something in common. So you are pushing 70? There is no BS here Mech. What you are not used to, which is ok, is dealing with someone that doesn't roll over when people try to be little them and put them down. Forum's are designed to assist " NEW BEE's " and I personally have no problem admitting when I don't know something. As I mentioned earlier, I am in the people business, and realize the value of people's knowledge and have been blessed with having many issues solved by reaching out and finding people that have had similar issues and love to help. I don't have any problem dealing with nay sayers as in the Sales World every NO is just one step closer to the yes I am looking for. How we got from my belt clutch issues to you being concerned with the age I reached puberty I will never know, but obviously you think I am allot younger then I am. As an FYI I started my first two businesses when I was in 4th grade. My father (rest his sole) said if I wanted a motorcycle I was going to have to get a job so I got a paper route full time getting up every morning at 3:30 am, Living in Vermont, and had a second job mowing my neighborhood lawns in he summer and shoveling their driveways in the winter. I guess we both have something else in common there too. You have a GREAT NIGHT!

As I promised here is a copy of the email I just sent to Dustin at STM. I will keep y'all informed of my progress. Come on Mech don't be a hater! I see an opportunity to turn a problem into a success story. Otherwise I would not invest the time. If you don't want to consider me a friend or whatever that is fine. I happen to think all people have value and something good to offer no matter what the circumstance. You got to stop being apart of the problem and be apart of the solution, and that doesn't mean writing people off. I happen to believe there is one and I know if I get a chance to work with Dustin we can probably find one that will help us both out. Doesn't that make sense?

Mech, poor answer myfriend, all people can be helped if people want to take the time. I have been in the people business all my life. It's easy to be a stand up guy when everything is going well, it's when the chips are down that you really find out what a person or companies character is made of. It sounds to me like you either have personal vested interest in this product? or are starting to make up lame excuses for someone who does. If STM was a large corporation I would actually probably agree with you, but as I am sure you know, this is a small family owned business, actually like the two companies that I used to represent. When I hear statements like your last one, especially after the offer that is being presented, it really comes down to two things because I have taken all the money for them off the table, if they can do what they have no problem bragging about and selling me. A. They Can't period and they know it up front, so your right, they will make a comment just like you did or not respond at all. B. They don't care enough about their product to at least give it a try, even knowing that every chance to test and learn is valuable, especially when they find someone is willing to work with them for a common goal. Either of these would clearly tell me why the Largest Side By Side Deal In Florida stopped carrying an supporting their product and went to Dura Clutch. STM has a good tech, " Dustin " I feel he is a very knowledgeable person no matter what the outcome. I told him flat out I totally understood what's up. He didn't sell me the Clutch, it's not his fault, I am pretty certain he doesn't handle the companies Vendor Accounts or Advertising, and that is where the blame lies. I also feel that if I could get him here for a week, even if it ended up being on my dime, it would be a Win Win for everyone involved and I would be good with that. If it turned out to be on their dime, lets face it, for a very small investment in the big scheme of things, I am sure that Dustin would come back with a pile of knowledge that would help STM design another clutch that could make them huge bucks in return. They actually have the opportunity to break into another huge market with the help of someone that has the same goal in mind. Ya got to think out of the box brother.

Mech, seems like your the one doin allot of rambling at this point. If the product they sold me can do what they say it does who wouldn't want a free trip to Florida to play for a week on someone else's dime especially this time of year, when ya live in Michigan. Heck I loved doing it. Why are you concerned, the other guys in our thread say where I ride is a walk in the park an my driving skills need help. Starting to sound like you know something that I don't? I'm not scared to put my money where my mouth is and obviously I feel confident enough about my driving and mechanical abilities to throw a couple more K on the line if I'm wrong. Told ya pal, I don't think so, so you and I will find out what's what an who's who's very soon is my guess. Yes you are right I did share my thoughts on a few sights as when I was a young kid riding I worked very hard for very little money and something like this would have crushed me. I would hate to have that happen to any other kid. Not everyone is born with a silver spoon in their mouth, so your darn right I am going to tell people to make sure to do extra research. If they can hook me up and all works out well they will also have my approval to use this as a testimony to their dedication to the products they manufacture which I am sure will help out their sales emmencly. WIN WIN

Good morning Mech and all, Mech as ya still seem to think I am doggin STM an y'alls other comments about " easy Riding " let's take your earier suggestion and put this to rest once an for all, and I know how to do exactly that. First, if you read my comments above that pic you would of seen that my true goal was to actually have Dustin an I figure this out as it would give him an his company another great tool to use for their sales and I would achieve my goal also. I actually invited Dustin to come out an visit and no comment was ever made. What I have found in sales over the years, and I have represented manufacturers personally, is a good majority or companies are quick to sell ( which is how I feel ) but when there is not an easy fix, it's always something wrong with everything else, but there product. Mech I think you an I can put this to bed easily and it's the perfect time of year to do it as they (STM) are located in Michigan an they are probably in between seasons as I don't believe they are racing sleds just yet. I also believe, anyone else please feel free to comment too. If you don't have a problem running your chops ya better be ready to put your money where your mouth is! So Mech, thats what I am going to do. These are my ground rules, anyone please comment if they think I am being slanted. In my first thread,when laying out my issues I maintained that I was convinced to buy a product that wasn't made for what they knew it was going to be used for period. MECH feels I am not giving the manufacturer a fair shake, fair enough. As I feel that I have a decent repro with Dustin ( STM Tech and racer himself) here is what I am going to propose to them an ya'll will see a copy of the email I send. As I previously mentioned, I just got done putting over 700 miles on the belt that's on my rig still now in the mountains of West Virginia. So yes I am still standing on the fact that my rig, and driving style are just fine and it's the STM clutch, so here we go. I am going to invite Dustin out on an all expenses paid trip to personally tune my clutch. Just in case that in the month I spent trying everything he tod me to do, I missed something. He has or had all the results of those tests. If he doesn't I still do. This is how the test will go, so everyone know exactly what to expect. We first will put a new belt on the rig. I still run the kind " Timpkin " that Dustin recommended. We will break the belt in any way he wants. We will put as many miles on the stock setup that he wants. in my driving conditions, to satisfy his mind that in the stock setup everything is as it should be. I have a Razorback Belt Temp Sensor on it so we will know pretty quick if it's not. Once completed, we will put another Brand New Belt on ( as we are doing apples for apples here ) and do nothing else but change the tires and put his clutch on it that he can tune as he sees fit ( the reason I purchased it in the first place ) and go back at it. I AM WILLING TO PAY all his expenses to and from an feed him good while he's here and even pay him his weeks lot salary if he can make his product work going through the exact same scenario. Reading other threads that say I should be getting a 1000 miles out of my belt and me just putting 700 on mine personally I guess that is what I should expect, But I am going to cut STM a break here too. If Dustin can give me JUST 350 miles one one belt I will be happy and we can call it a day. I personally don't think STM can, period! IF THEY CAN'T they are going to have to agree to the same ( ie they reimburse me for all my expenses,belts an all and pay me Dustin's Salary for the week for wasting my time. FYI, for all concerned, bsck in the day that was daily business for me, when people used to challenge me on the product I represented for my manufacturer. The difference, I believed in, an knew exactly what my company's product would and wouldn't do and I wouldn't lead people just for a sale an say sorry when things didn't work out. Stay tuned Mech and I guess we'll see just how much they believe in what they sell. I personally hope they do, as Dustin seems like a real cool guy and win or loss I am sure we will have a BLAST If that isn't giving them a fair shake I don't know what is? As I am not asking them to do anything I haven't personally done myself.

Love y'all's humor, I can actually laugh myself after the fact myself. Really not funny when you are in the moment though for sure. Good thing all this riding is done on 57,000 acres of private land for owners as a part of an association with thousands of members that ride there.; and everyone is always helping everyone out. Good ol boy network! Really just looking for someone who has used an aftermarket clutch with success and not having to use gear reduction as I am just running stock size tires. Someone mentioned Dura Clutch as the engineers owners etc I guess helped design the first Polaris SXS rigs but he was a salesman also and when I asked him if he had personal experience himself the answer was " It was just what I have been told " not going there again.

Hey Mech forgot to hit send on my reply to your questions so I apologize, Forgot to add that in my reply to you, yes (per STM Tech) with each belt change I did put to heat cycles on every belt before I started running them hard. By heat cycle, I specifically mean, ran my Kart down my main grade road for a mile varying speeds and then letting the belt completely cool down and then doing it again. I think I am a little lost on what you mean by systematically changing one part at a time? There was never an issue with my Kart before I put my 30" Aqua Torque Tires on. My Kart had 200 Miles on it and I was sick of my buddies winching me out of the mud ( buddy abuse ) due to my stock tires. My bad if you did not get that from my initial details and request for assistance. All the other information was the rabbit trail I was led down during my STM Clutch testing. Yes I did also do exactly what you suggested also ( put everything back to original, ie stock clutches and tires ) and went to Hatfield McCoy Trails in West Virginia and put over 700 Miles of hard trail riding on JUST ONE BELT, which is still on it, with no overheating issues or belt breakage at all. If you run STM products on your rig and they work great, God Bless Ya! I was sold a product by them that they said would work perfectly and clearly doesn't. They have no interest in helping me further or making good on it, fine, I am a big boy. I just don't want to see another person who does my type of riding get sucked into the same trap, plain and simple. I am over it, now just really hoping to find someone who does aggressive mud riding and is using an aftermarket clutch set up that they are happy with that's all.

Good morning Mech and thank you for your input. Spending more than half my life in the mechanical industry, I am 56 now, I like to feel while one can always learn, the reason for my post, I have learned a few things also. To give ya an update, since my post I put my stock equipment back on it, took my Kart to Harfield an McCoy trail system in West Virginia (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED) and up over 700 miles in 7 days climbing serious mountains and still on the same belt. To answer some of your questions, the tires are the exact same size only heavier. STM had all the details of what I was looking for and to do. I will be the first to admit I am not a clutch expert, that's why I went to one, I thought. My only beef is with people who represent something that isn't necessarily accurate, but we are past that and I prefer to look for solutions to a problem rather then to be part of it. Not sure where you currently ride but the mud I am referring to is the type that you sink 3 inches into and it will take your boot off before you can pull it out. When your 30 inch tire is stuck in that your done. You Don't keep your tires rotating an stop its over, like my pic. Where I ride now ( River Ranch Central Florida on 57,000 acres ) has a ton of sugar sand, and you are correct, when that gets wet it acts the same way. In that pick we had to hand dig around the cart and took 1 kart with 4500 pd winch pulling sideways from the top of my cage to hold my left side out while another Kart was winchin me forward while my 4500 pd winch was pulling from a tree also. That's the kind of stuck we all try to avoid. Maybe you didn't catch the part when I mentioned my stock set up couldn't handle my tires. The only thing that changed in this whole scenario is I went to a heavier much more aggressive tire. After I did weeks of testing with STM tech he was convinced it was the Kart not his product. I spent hundreds of dollars purchasing alignment equipment etc. Only to find out that everything was spot on. We are not talking about some beat up Kart here my $25,000 Kart had 217 miles on when I started this venture. To answer your second question, you are correct I specifically purchased that clutch based on STMs sales representatives knowledge. Tires and rims are the same size only difference is tires are heavier and more aggressive. Which my stock set up proved not to be able to handle. Hence spending another $1,800 to no resolve. After all my testing the STM tech admitted that he had never encountered this issue an also had never riddin in my conditions and said it had to be my Kart. Hatfield McCoy more then proved it isn't my Kart. Why would I even think of putting the STM product back on with my stock setup when the whole purpose of the purchase was to be able to use my new tires? But to answer that question, I did do that, and to comment on ULFTHEDNAR's post too he is correct, heat is a KILLER, interestingly enough I have installed a Razarback Belt Temp Gauge on my rig and can tell you that at 230 degrees your belt starts slipping 250 pieces start coming off and 270 it blows into million little pieces. Experienced this 4 times in less then 100 miles. On the same level surface with the stock tires back on it. The stock setup ran 20 degrees cooler then the STM clutch period. I could not keep the belt under 200 degrees with the STM product and their recommended tunes and we tried dozens to make this work. When running up 200 yard grades in WV that you thought you were going to roll over backwards my belt temp barely hit 180 and went back down to the 160's. Touching on your third point you are correct there as I understand pulley theory also and was actually sending Dustin (STM Tech) pictures of both pulleys as we were testing so he could evaluate that also. The one thing I liked about the product was that I could actually get my rpms back to where they belonged to stay in the power band, but there is a big difference between desert dune racing where your always spinning at high speeds and flying and Crawling through stuff a 5 mph not 50. Thanks again for your time. I was really hoping that Dustin an I could nail the step up as it would of been another great marketing tool for them also but that wasn't the case and it wasn't till after all this that I found out that the largest sxs dealer in Florida stopped carrying their products for the same reason. My bad should of done more research. At this point just hoping that someone has had the same issues as myself and found a solution other then using gear reduction as yes the tires are heavier and more aggressive but I am not running 38s on it just stock size tires.

I feel credible information is important; and I personally have friends and family all over this country that share the same passion for Side by Side Adventures that I do. This article is for all of you and the " Newbee's " like myself that are just entering the SXS Market, and don't know which way to turn when it comes to fixing belt/clutch issues upon upgrading your tires on your Side by Side to handle a particular situation such as mud and swamp riding, that put high torque on your drivetrain. In my case it is my 2021 Polaris RZR XP 1000 Premium that I just purchased. This is the product I will be speaking specifically about. This is a VERY expensive process make no mistake about it! I have over $2,500 in useless STM Powersports clutch parts, for my application and another $2,000 plus in tires and rims that I can't use, DON'T BE THIS GUY! First, giving credit where due, Dustin (Tech at STM Powersports) was very willing and responsive when trying to make his companies product fix my issue. For those of you who are not interested in all the details. Their clutches are not designed to handle heavy mud and swamp applications period, and can't be tuned, as they advertise, to work, in my opinion. I personally have over a hundred hours of hands on testing to back that statement up. Upon further investigation, STM Powersports seems to be a snowmobile clutch manufacture out of Michigan that has morphed into building SXS clutches that apparently work on snowmobiles and sand dune SXS racing applications, they say. Can't see them being any different with other manufactures either as all that use a belt run on the same principle, but I can only speak for my Polaris Application. My Problem- When upgrading my tire from the stock 30" tire to a 30" Aqua Torque Sand Mud Tire ( totally bad as* tire FYI ) that was EXACTLY what I needed for my mud, sand, and swamp riding here in Florida, I started burning up belts every 9 to 29 miles, which made no sense at all, so than began my research. Solution (so I was told) - I need a " Performance Clutch " that is adjustable so that I can tune it for my particular situation/application. Made Sense, and I am mechanically inclined, being in the mechanical field over 30 years, so I thought it would be fun and I could get to learn something new at the same time. Always good to keep learning. My Goal - To save just one person who reads this a whole lot of money, time, and aggravation. I have spent well over a 100 hrs of personal tuning and testing with guidance from Dustin from STM PowerSports, watching all their tuning video's, and using some common sense once I understood the principle of how the clutch functioned, and what adjustments effected speed, rpm, etc. etc. etc. to no resolve. My Process - Doing some quick " Google " research " apparently I should of done a hell of a lot more, I was guided to Vivid Racing who sold me this STM PowerSports mess. They apparently are one of STM PowerSports product distributors. When I ordered this product I was EXTREMELY detailed on what I needed due to my current riding conditions, the exact make, year, and model of my Kart, my weight, and the weight, make, and size of the tire I was replacing my stock tires with. The sales rep confirmed my needs, and assured me that a STM PowerSports Clutch was what I needed, to the tune of over $2,500. As soon as I started having issues though, my Vivid Racing sales rep could not be reached anymore, would never return any of my calls, and apparently after a week of this, no longer worked there, ie I was S.O.L. Pulling out my parts packaging I was able to find the # of the manufacture and found Dustin, a Technical Support Advisor for the Company, that also raced SXS. Any of you that want the real detailed information on the exact tuning that was done and detailed information for your own knowledge, please leave me your # and I would be happy to share all of that with you. To make a long story a little shorter, after over a month and a half of phone calls to STM PowerSports, changing clutch weights and position on the clutch arms, primary and secondary clutch springs, and doing test runs after every single adjustment and still smokin my belts; Dustin at STM Powersports was convinced there was something wrong with my 2021 Polaris RZR XP 1000 Premium. Even though it was brand new and only had 279 miles on it at the time. He said the transmission had to be out of alignment with the motor or something had to be binding in the transmission or drive-train. Taking his advise, and that out of the equation, I spent over $300 on a professional motor transmission alignment tool, only to re confirm that everything was spot on. I again followed his directions on his " Binding Drive-Train theory and jacked everything off the ground ( another $150 in jackstands ) just to find out that everything spun freely, nothing was binding, and nothing seemed out of order there either. I also need to add, that during this testing " Process " I had gone thru 7 belts at approx $150 bucks a piece. I had previously installed a Razorback Belt Temp Sensor on my Kart so with every adjustment I could watch my belt temps and compare everything. The only thing I didn't know at the time (and guess it is kind of relative to your riding area, and temperature of where you are riding) is that normal temps are anywhere between 130 and 180 when really pushing it, on average for my Kart when it is running right. What I can tell you is, when it's not, at 250 Degrees your belt starts so de-laminate, 260 pieces come off, and 275 it blows up into a thousand pieces like popcorn. With this STM PowerSports clutch I could not drive down a hard packed sand road with my kart in 2 wheel low or high 4 wheel low or high for more then 9 miles before the belt temps would start hitting 250, so something was wrong; and all through this process it was never the STM Powersports Clutch, it was my 2021 Polaris RZR XP 1000 Premium. Even after all my testing, per his direction, Dustin from STM PowerSports was still convinced it was my Kart, and not his companies product. He advised me to put all my stock parts back on, run it another time, and then get back to him. I again agreed, but told him that the whole reason that I purchased his companies product in the first place, was that I didn't want to run my stock tires and I already knew that my stock clutch set up can't handle my new tires for some reason??? or I wouldn't have spent over $2,500 dollars buying a new STM Powersports clutch from his company. I did as he requested and here are the results. Conclusion - My concern, I was leaving to do some serious riding on the Hatfield McCoy Trail System in West Virginia the following week. I was now praying to God that something would give! I was out of time to test his theories that were obviously just guesses at this point. My 2021 Polaris RZR XP 1000 Premium can't keep a drive-belt on it that can last 19 miles, at times, say nothing of the hundreds of miles that I was looking forward to be driving in West Virginia. I stripped off all STM Powersports Clutch parts, put on yet another new drive-belt, installed my stock clutches an tires, and took it for one last test run at River Ranch before loading it in the trailer to head to West Virginia. As I didn't have much time and honestly at this point, I was ready to call everything off. With all the original stock set up back on, I put it to the test, with my fingers and toes crossed (translates to praying my butt off) I put the hammer down for my last afternoon of testing I had left. I hit every mud hole, water hole, river, and small lake that I could find. If you have ever been to River Ranch in Florida you will know I didn't have to look far. I clocked ten miles, interesting, 20 miles, getting nervous now, 30 miles, it's going to blow any time now for sure, 40 miles???, now i'm kinda dumb founded! At 49 miles the belt temps were still only running 167 degrees tops, which I never had seen before. As everything was already paid and ready for West Virginia, I said the worst that could happen, is I would have to rent a Kart for the week and listen to more bashing from my friends. Now for the BIG test. To the Appalachian Mountains where there are some real mountains and challenging situations, for real! Results - In 6 Days I put on an additional 649 Miles, hard miles on my 2021 Polaris RZR XP 1000 Premium " just one belt " that already had 49 miles on it when I started, with not a lick of problems. The belt temperature never hit 200 degrees even after long crazy hill climbs. So, if your wondering why I am calling this product " BS " for the type of riding conditions I purchased it for, well all I can tell you is, it isn't my driving style, or an issue with my New Polaris RZR XP 1000 Premium, or the belt that I was consistently running (which Dustin Recommended I run). In my opinion it's with a STM PowerSports, a Michigan Company that is " Marketing " and " Selling " a clutch product that they have not done any proper R & D on for the application they sold it to me for, or are Marketing/Selling it to everyone else who also has Mud/Swamp riding needs. They have no problem taking your money, and your stuck with it once you purchase it, just so ya know. To my friends an all the Newbee's like me out there, I wish I could finish this article with a solution for y'all, but for now I am out of money, time, and patience to go through this process again. I have heard rumors that Duraclutch was designed by guys that are Mud Boggers and do swap riding as well as R&D their product for this application??? If there is anyone out there that reads this and has found a " Tested " solution to my problem I would love to hear about it. The Aqua Torque Tires I purchased are an truly amazing product, they apparently just weigh more then the stock tires and STM Powersports has no business selling their product to people that mud and swamp ride in" high torque " situations. They should be letting the public know that OR " Man UP " and spend the time, money, and do the right thing, and test an develop a product that actually works for the application they are selling it for, Before they sell it. They seem to have no problem bragging that their product is made in America, while my Chinese Stock Polaris Clutch clearly out preforms their product for stock application needs, and a quarter of the cost!