The manual was a great help thanks again ,i did all the required checks to rule out every thing except the cdi box the machine will start and run great and then just stop running ,when this happens the spark and the fuel pump power disappears ,then without touching anything ,meaning wiring connectors i turn on the key push the start button and it might start it might not,I always thought the cdi box was either good or not good everything is leading toward that box ,I hate to buy one one not knowing for sure if it is that,where is the best price for these other than honda ,thanks again