Thanks again Buck. but I also replaced the dust cover (which this seal is attached to). As far as I know this is the only way to replace this seal, $85 part like I said I'm really at my wits end here. I'm real interested in the conversion to a disk but I don't want to try it if it's not possible or hasn't been done b4. PA is mainly a lot of big hill riding and I can't go without a back brake for alot of the riding we do. I can't believe no one else has this problem. I see the 07 big bear now has a wet brake. what gives? I guess I'll just remain forever frustrated with this. My next quad will be a kawai. NO DOUBT