10 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

Have you tried seeing what  mainstream sites  say  about voter fraud?....

Fox news is not mainstream?  Or is mainstream only defined as "against Trump"?

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and  of those convicted of fraud,  how  many  were  Dems  and how  many were   GOP?  Any fraud committed  would not be  from   only  one side. 

No clue.   My guess, based on evidence, is the Dems far outweigh GOP in fraud.

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Voter  fraud,  of which  I also  consider  voter suppression  a  part  of,  is far  more in the  bailiwick  of the  GOP  than the  Dems .

Any evidence or rationale for that conjecture?  Or are you saying that because you'd like it to be true?

I don't consider myself member of either party and generally think GOP are dumber than Dems, but I don't think they are as crazy and therefore not as likely to commit fraud.  Plus they are religious.  I'd suspect someone displaying jesus in a jar of urine of fraud before considering someone going to church every sunday, but I could be wrong.  The Dems lack any moral foundation because "anything goes" with them.  GOP tends to have values they adhere to, which aggravates the Dems and is pretty much the reason for their existence.  Without conservatism, there would be no tyranny to be free from.

12 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

If they  find any significant voter fraud , I would contend it would be on the  part of ERW conservatives , and should nullify the  election .. Unfortunately there is nothing in the  US Constitution  to   mandate  a redo of an election no matter how badly it was compromised.  You are stuck with Trump  and his "team"   for 4 years . . You  can  impeach , but those down the line of succession  from  him  don't really offer  any improvement.

The fact is ,  even  if they find voter fraud , there  is no way  of telling who the  fraudsters  supported,  so  my  contention it was done by  Conservatives  is  just as valid , and   I believe moreso  than  by  "Liberals "

"Von Spakovsky, senior legal fellow and manager of the Election Law Reform Initiative at the Heritage Foundation, said voter fraud is prevalent enough that it could make the difference in a close election. The Heritage Foundation, he said, has recorded 430 cases of voter fraud -- proven cases where someone was convicted or a judge ordered a new election.

A former FEC commissioner and counsel to the assistant attorney general for civil rights at the U.S. Justice Department, von Spakovsky said California is of particular concern because of the rising number of noncitizens illegally registering and voting in elections, as well as the “terrible shape” the voter registration rolls are in." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/03/voter-fraud-california-man-finds-dozens-ballots-stacked-outside-home.html

Apparently it can be done.

Anyway, fraud, if it exists, would be on the democrats' part for sure.  One look at the protests will tell you that these people would do anything to get their way.

This guy goes undercover in drag to interview them and found they don't even know what they're protesting about.  They just need someone to hate.

Trump To Launch "Major Investigation Into Voter Fraud"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-25/trump-launch-major-investigation-voter-fraud

One commenter said " Smart. If sufficient evidence captured, it will legitimize his mandate and blow the Dems from the political scene "

I agree.

18 hours ago, davefrombc said:

LOL  Randy ..  That's some  "alternate facts" that site  uses   to describe the  fall  of  Rome. There  were  several  factors  that led to Rome's downfall,  but none of them  had anything to  do  with feminism  or effeminism . .  LOL...  I would suggest  some  real  study  of history, and you won't find  any of it  on those sites  you seem to  like to  hang  out  on for    your information.

 If you really study  ancient civilizations  you'll find   several advanced for the time   ones  that  were  supplanted  by  Rome,  and   that Rome was supplanted  by a ruler that  had a  much  larger  empire  at  its  peak that  was not based on civilization  and  knowledge, but  on pure  brutal  military  power.

I've not found any information to lead me to otherwise opinion.

Molyneux received a B.A. in History from McGill University in 1991 and an M.A. in History from University of Toronto in 1993. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Molyneux

FWD to 2:17:00 if you don't want to listen to all of it.  He makes the claim that the increase in the influence of women in public life has often been associated with national decline.  A similar situation was observed in the Arab empire.

It may have nothing to do with feminism per se, but that as empires become more successful, they get more liberal in general and that leads to their fall.

On 1/22/2017 at 6:15 PM, quadmaniac said:

Me too, I was surprised as well.

Grandpa is 4 months older than Carter and looks about the same, but not quite as healthy.  He just got out of surgery today and still waiting to hear from the dr.

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On another note, drives me crazy to see some of these activist actresses saying "he's not my president"...Move to another country then or start your own...lol. They should stick to their movies and not pretend to understand the working class American and our struggles. 

"He's not my president" is one giant ad hominem attack instead of protesting one specific issue they object to.  It's depressing seeing such little intellectual development, but certainly emotional, in light of all the technological progress we've made.  I hope Trump can clean up the mess with his newfound "dictatorial powers."

I'm referencing this:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-24/trump-bans-epa-employees-using-social-media-bars-new-contracts

Because, if there is any truth to this https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/12/27/feminism-responsible-for-the-fall-of-rome/

Then I think a dictator is the only thing that can stop the inevitable because the majority of voters are completely looney.

I was surprised to see Jimmy Carter.  He's gotta be the oldest one there!

http://time.com/4639799/jimmy-carter-beat-cancer-donald-trump-inauguration/

17 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

I will not be  watching  his inauguration.

Snowflake

1 hour ago, davefrombc said:

Randy , to  see  the difference between  seeing  Putin  as  a hunting /  fishing  friend or  one  you  can trust at  all just  search on  " Putin  polonium "  if  you  don't recall  events in  the  UK  in 2006 that  Putin was  accused of  ordering.

What I have against Putin  is that those that  don't agree with  him  or actively oppose him   have a  strange  habit of turning up  dead.  Putin  is ruthless  in his control  of Russia, and in his  desire  to   hold sway  over  other  nations.

If  you  didn't  bother  to  search on Putin  and  polonium,   I'll  make it simple  for you and give you a  link  to  click.  Litvinenko isn't the  only  one to  die  or end  up   in  a  Russian  prison  because he opposed  Putin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko

I did search.  I read:

During his time in London, Litvinenko wrote two books, Blowing Up Russia: Terror from Within and Lubyanka Criminal Group, wherein he accused the Russian secret services of staging the Russian apartment bombings and other terrorism acts in an effort to bring Vladimir Putin to power. He also accused Putin of ordering the murder in October 2006 of the Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya.

So I figured it's about censorship.

The assassination of Anna Politkovskaya (born 1958), a Russian journalist, writer and human rights activist, took place on 7 October 2006. She was known for her opposition to the Chechen conflict and for criticism of Vladimir Putin.^[1][2] She authored several books about the Chechen wars, as well as Putin's Russia, and received numerous international awards for her work. Her murder, believed to be a contract killing, sparked a strong international reaction.

The US does things like that too.  Some accuse the CIA of killing Kennedy and are currently worried about Trump's safety.  All the stories I've read about people being "suicided" in the US over the last year bear little distinction from what Putin is being accused of.

We just don't know the whole story.  Putin is far from Stalin, I think.  We also can't tell if Putin did the killing or if someone else did to set Putin up.  These things are rabbit holes.

Anyway, I think when Stephan Colbert pokes fun at Trump for taking orders from Putin, it's sensationalized.  He's not really taking orders and Putin isn't a big threat, but "Russia" is an emotionally-charged word hearkening from the coldwar period you mentioned in an effort to stigmatize people no different than calling folks "socialists" as a way to rally the mob against someone.  Now if he were friendly with Kim Jong Un, that would be a different story.

11 hours ago, davefrombc said:

Randy , to  see  the difference between  seeing  Putin  as  a hunting /  fishing  friend or  one  you  can trust at  all just  search on  " Putin  polonium "  if  you  don't recall  events in  the  UK  in 2006 that  Putin was  accused of  ordering.

 

Censorship is the one thing you may have against Putin.

In 2013, Russia enacted laws banning "propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations"

Putin also defends Russia's controversial gay "propaganda" law. "I don't see anything un-democratic in this legal act," Putin tells 60 Minutes. "I believe we should leave kids in peace. We should give them a chance to grow, help them to realize who they are and decide for themselves. Do they consider themselves a man or a woman? A female? A male? Do they want to live in a normal, natural marriage or a non-traditional one? That's the only thing I wanted to talk about. I don't see here any infringement on the rights of gay people."  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/putin-talks-gay-rights-on-60-minutes/

Grandpa fought in WWII and worked half a century to earn the right to sit in his chair and be compelled to watch to men smooching.  It just isn't right.  Gays can be gay, just stay out of grandpa's living room.  I think that is what Putin is trying to do, but the media wants to paint a picture of how common homosexuality is so it will be more accepted.  It's propaganda and some feel it is helping to destroy the family, which I think Putin agrees.  It doesn't make Putin a bad man.

11 hours ago, davefrombc said:

Randy ,   I too  see far more   out there  from  "conservatives"  than  from "liberals", in fact  the  conservatives  I  see the  most  from   are the  ERW.. They are the  ones  trying everything they can to  stop  anything they  equate  with  "socialism" whether  it  is   in the  interest  of the  country  or not .. They cannot   take themselves out  of the  old cold war  and the rhetoric   of those days.  Moderate  conservatives seem to  be  afraid to  speak up   against  the  radicals,  maybe  for  fear  of being  branded  with that  terrible "liberal or socialist /  progressive" name  they  demonize the  Dems  with.  When  you talk to  people  in  China,  Malaysia and  Europe, you tend to get  a different  perspective  on how they  live  and view  their  governments  than  what  you  get  from the  ERW's ravings. 

I think you're pretty close to hitting the nail on the head there.

https://www.quantcast.com/zerohedge.com#demographicsCard

https://www.quantcast.com/salon.com#demographicsCard

https://www.quantcast.com/politico.com?country=US#demographicsCard

https://www.quantcast.com/nydailynews.com?country=US#demographicsCard

All overwhelmingly male and of the baby boomer generation.  What can explain that?

24 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

There is a tremendous difference  between  friends going  fishing,hunting  or participating any  other  sport or  activity,  and  politicians  dealing  in international  affairs. Those politicians decide what  direction the country is going in with respect to business and  influence  .  Friends  out fishing or hunting  don't  have the potential to throw the world into  a war or disastrous trade  laws.

I have  friends  who  differ greatly  with me  in  views on racism, immigrants  and "liberal / conservative"  views ..  We  remain  friends  and   agree to  differ  in  our  views.. just  as  I  offer to  help  others  in forums where  I  can  without any regard to their social  views.  

What's the difference in friends going hunting and trusting each other with guns and friends trusting each other with nukes?

Does Putin seem so bad to you?

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 The years  of  Clinton  bashing  and   the 8  years of Obama's administration  are  prime  examples  of  far too  much propaganda  and far  too little  looking for the truth. That  barrage  from the  far  right  and the  Extreme Right Wing  is  what  has  led to  the situation today  where  people  are  so badly  divided; and somebody  who  never  should even  have   gotten  out  of the  bottom of the  primary   is  going to  become  your  President .

The people have been divided for a long time, but this time they had a lot invested in the election.  Male vs female, right vs left, businessman vs politician, nationalism vs globalism,,, it was all on the line this time.  Trump is even the first real threat to abortion since Roe v Wade.  It's like Boom, one swoop and everything changed.  So, the people haven't changed... it's was the extreme polarization of the candidates this time.  What seems strange to me is this sort of thing is in the air.  Brexit then Trump.  Who's next?

I've noticed wherever I go (news sites, financial sites, youtube, atvs, bikes, whatever) it seems to be dominated by conservatives.  How is it that more people voted for Hillary when I rarely see a Hillary supporter?  Do liberals not get online?  Where are they? 

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What  bothers  me  most with  so  many  on  both extremes especially ,  and   far too many  that  are more moderate , is that the   extremes  refuse to   consider  anything  that  doesn't  some from    their  sites that  support their  views , and so  many in the  middle  don't take the time  to  sort out the truth  from  all  the   propaganda half truths and outright lies  put out  by  those  on the  far  sides.

That's people in general.  No one wants to be wrong once they've made their mind up about something.  When I read news, I check the comments.  Sometimes I skip the article and just read the comments.  The comments are what validates the truthfulness of the news.

7 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

She has  been and  is still  very  unpopular  because  of the constant barrage  of  unfounded allegations  against her. 

I wouldn't say they are all unfounded.  A lot of people don't like her because she's a Clinton.  You have to figure Baby Boomers were in their prime with Bill and he made Rush Limbaugh popular.  A lot of people are unhappy with career-politicians and none more epitomizes that than a Clinton.

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Ramifications  of the  Russia  thing? If it is true  that  Putin   has tapes proving the  allegations  against him,  and  possibly  a lot  more  in shady  business dealings,  it could give them  a  great deal  of  leverage   on  him.

Putin will have leverage on Trump?  What would Putin make Trump do?

With friendship comes leverage.  If you and I decide to go fishing, there's no doubt I could influence where we fish.  But so what?  If we're friends, all we really wanna do is fish and have fun.  How many guys sit in boats together and manage not to throw the other guy overboard?  I guess I'm saying I don't understand that the big deal is.

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Trump is a narcissist by all  accounts . . He  doesn't  like to  look  bad. In  my opinion he  doesn't  know  how to  tell the truth .. Everything  he  says  is embellished.  He constantly  flip flops  in  his stance on  nearly  every  subject , depending on his  audience of the moment.

If  anyone  cares to  search  on Trump's  business  dealings  and the  number  of  lawsuits against him alleging  wrongdoing in his  business practices,  they should be able  to get some idea  how  he will  handle his  Presidency....I  really  don't  like to  see  someone  I  think  acts too  much  like  a  petulant 4  year  old holding the  nuclear  codes.

Yeah, he's a narcissist.  A little more than most presidents.

I don't know much about the lawsuits.  I'm sure he will step on toes.  He's not going to use nukes.  He's a narcissist, remember?  How's he going to look good with the world in ashes?  He's going to do the thing that he thinks will make him look like the best president ever.

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 On  anotheer  subject .. As far  as  voter fraud  and  manipulating goes .. There  has never  been any  proof of  widespread voter  fraud, or  voter fraud  actually  swaying  an election ..  I've seen  more  GOP  supporters  convicted  of attempted  fraud than I've seen  of   Dems  doing it .. I'm  sure there  is some attempted  by  supporters  of  both  parties;  but  none  successful  in swaying an  election ;  with the   exception  of gerrymandering  and voter suppression.

I have no idea.  I was just being funny.  Search for voter fraud and it's all jokes at the democrat's expense.

40 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

We'll  see  down the road  how true the allegations  of Trump's  misdeeds during a  trip T Russia  turn  out.. 

What's the ramifications of the russia thing?

I kinda think Trump would have lost if it had been anybody but Hillary.

14 minutes ago, quadmaniac said:

Yes, they are in the same bucket with the illegal alien votes... 

Bucket?  Oh you mean boxtruck.  Dang autocorrect

47 minutes ago, LT80 said:

This just in::: After tallying 138% of the vote, Hillary wins!

Are we sure they counted all the deceased votes?  Just because someone dies is no reason to lose their right to vote. 

1 hour ago, quadmaniac said:

Lol...that is true! It's definitely going to be interesting after the inauguration, starting with the inauguration...lucky news networks and twitter!

Lucky for everyone but cnn

Stephen Colbert is making a big splash as well

In one of his videos he sincerely thanked Trump for the easy material.  It's gonna be YUGE!  Bigly style!

Yeah, we shouldn't miss such a golden opportunity for a steady-stream of comedy by the whiz himself

10 hours ago, Ajmboy said:

At the end of the day, the voters have spoken and landed a major F/U to Obama, Clinton, and the establishment. All that hype, all those polls, they need to take a look at themselves and realize the majority of the country is not with them.

Big history moment. Trump will have the house and senate and able to get his agenda across more than Hillary would have been able to. 

I think most people did not see this coming and are waking up in shock...

I'm not sure the majority have spoken.  The popular vote looks like 47% for Trump and 48% for Clinton (about 200k difference).  Plus, probably lots of minorities couldn't find the motivation to vote or weren't allowed to vote.  There are more registered Dems than republicans.  I think the Trump supporters were more determined to vote than Hillary supporters.

38 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

It's  looking like by  about  February  / March I'm  going to get to  say to my  American friends  " I told you so ". Trump  will  prove to be  Trump to the  detriment   of  America.

What do you think will happen?

I think Yellen at the fed will figure it's a good time to crash the economy by raising rates, since she won't have to worry about making Hillary look good anymore.

It could go down like with Hoover in 1929... the fed raised rates and crashed the market while Hoover instituted tariffs that sent trade down and then raised taxes to pay down the debt.  It was a complete disaster.

When the Wall Street Crash of 1929 struck less than eight months after he took office, Hoover tried to combat the ensuing Great Depression in the United Stateswith large-scale government public works projects such as the Hoover Dam, and calls on industry to keep wages high. He reluctantly approved the Smoot–Hawley Tariff, which sent foreign trade spiralling down. He believed it was essential to balance the budget despite falling tax revenue, so he raised the tax rates. The economy kept falling and unemployment rates rose to about 25%. This downward spiral, plus his support for prohibition policies that had lost favor, set the stage for Hoover's overwhelming defeat in 1932 by Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt, who promised a New Deal.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover

You could be right, but I'm still glad Trump won.

8 hours ago, Ajmboy said:

Everyone knew Hillary would be the democratic candidate, but I still can't believe that Donald made it this far. I never would have thought it when he came down the escalator. To be quite honest, I thought Romney would get back in it. 

If he wins, every political mind will change.

Yup, a year ago I was sure he would stick his foot in his mouth, sooner or later, and get booted from the race.  He's defied all the odds so far.

13 hours ago, davefrombc said:

That  meme  has the revolver  chambers  reversed.  It should show the  Trump  revolver  loaded with 6 chambers full of  dumdums.

Tomorrow  will tell the  tale  of where  the  US  will  be  headed.. 

I was certain Hillary would become president maybe as far back as 2 years ago.  It was the only thing that made sense given the momentum of the feminist-thing.  Women are more educated and more likely to work now than ever (while raising kids even), while men are tending towards playing videos games in a state of apathy.  A woman president, especially after a black one, makes too much sense.  I'd prefer it were a different woman, but a Clinton was their best shot for getting any woman elected for the first time ever.  The Republicans should have picked Ann Coulter, but they needed a man for balance.

50% of the pop are women + those guys who want to vote female to be progressive.  The other men are likely too lazy to vote, while the women are extremely motivated to assert their equality to men.  I can't imagine how Hillary could lose, especially with the FBI, CNN, MSNBC, and all MSM, and all of wall street on her side (plus Soros).  Her losing would be worse than Brexit.

With Brexit, all the polling showed "remain" to win.  All the bookies had "remain" to win.  Everyone thought "remain" would win, and look at the fallout after the surprise.  Even as polls were reporting, at first, they all showed "remain" winning.  "Leave" came up from behind at the very end.  I watched it happen and it was almost like someone planned it to be that way to set everyone up in currency and futures trading.

On 11/4/2016 at 8:26 PM, Ajmboy said:

I have to agree that there are many people afraid of a Trump presidency but there are also those that are afraid of the direction that Hillary Clinton will go as well. I also think there may be a lot of "closet Trumpers", afraid to speak in public about supporting his candidacy but want change enough to vote for him. We shall see soon enough.

I thought it was funny what Huckabee said...

I like what Obama said...

 

On 11/4/2016 at 1:01 AM, davefrombc said:

Trump isn't the all successful businessman he claims to be. Do  some searching on Trump,  his business practices , and all the  lawsuits  he's facing .

 

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 I am not being emotional  about Trump.. I  am  trying to  point out to  his supporters  who  blind themselves to all  the  negatives of his personality  and business  practices and support him  because  he  represents  "change".  He  will  bring  change   alright,  but it  is  not the  change you want to  see.

I think you are because you haven't cited any evidence or reasons, just mud-slinging and fist-waving it seems like.

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Clinton,  for    all  the  flaws  she  has,  real  and  falsely claimed  by the  Extreme Right Wing  of the  GOP is really the  only  choice  you  have  this  election.

What about the child sex trafficking?  Can we dismiss that?  Ignore that?  Deny that?  Stick our head in the sand? http://www.usapoliticstoday.com/breaking-wikileaks-just-dropped-nuke-hillary-see-potential-clinton-foundation-sex-trafficking-ring/

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Trump  will  very  quickly show everyone  just  what  a bad  choice  he  was  after  Inauguration. Nobody ,  including  the  ERW,  will  be  happy. 

Got anything to go on other than just making a statement that I will not like Trump?  Can you explain in what way I won't like him?  That is what I mean by "emotional".

I'm aware that prices will rise due to the tariffs.  I won't like that, but I'd prefer it to Hillary I think.

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Hillary  is well  qualified  to  hold the  Presidency.  

Politicians and diapers must be changed often and for the same reason - Mark Twain.  

The founding fathers never intended people to make a career out of politics.  Too much like an aristocracy that they fled from.

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I don't see her  making  any  radical  changes,  good   or  bad.  She  has  far  more respect  internationally  than  she  does at home.  Believe  me  when  I  tel l you,  people  outside the  US  know   far  more  and  can see far  more with  a  much less biased eye  than about  40%  or  more  of the  U.S.'s  population. 

I hope she don't make any changes.  She has no respect from Russia.

On another forum I'm arguing about minimum wage with a Canadian who supports Trump lol.

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Trump  has the potential  to  create  a depression to  rival  that  of 1929.  Trumps   call  for  protectionism and his xenophobia could well  be the trigger. 

Yes, he does remind me of Hoover with the tariffs and other things.  It's not that I like Trump so much, but that I can't stand Hillary.  I probably would have supported Bernie over Trump.  I can't ethically support a Clinton.

On 10/9/2016 at 7:57 PM, davefrombc said:

 I  cannot understand  in the least  how anyone   can think  Trump  would  be  fit  in  any  way  to be  President  of the  US. He  isn't  fit  to  hold even the  most menial   of any  elected  posts.

Anyone  who thinks the  US  is in bad shape now "ain't seen  nothin' yet"  if  somehow Trump  actually  does manage to  get  elected.

I would really love to "like" many of your posts here, but I don't understand how you came to this opinion of Trump.  If we can have an actor as president, surely we can have a successful businessman as president.  And being a sexual deviant didn't hamper Bill Clinton in his presidential duties.

The founding fathers never intended there to be "career politicians".  The idea was that you'd serve in government for a while then go back to your real job and life.  The idea of a life-long politician is too much like an aristocracy... and they just fled from that.  So, Hillary having experience can be a bad thing.

You say a lot of sensible stuff, but then get emotional about Trump.  I guess I would "like" it more if you didn't

So, what is the "ain't seen nothin yet" scenario you're envisioning?

He reminds me of Hoover with the talk of tariffs right at the top of a stock market bubble:

When the Wall Street Crash of 1929 struck less than eight months after he took office, Hoover tried to combat the ensuing Great Depression in the United Stateswith large-scale government public works projects such as the Hoover Dam, and calls on industry to keep wages high. He reluctantly approved the Smoot–Hawley Tariff, which sent foreign trade spiralling down. He believed it was essential to balance the budget despite falling tax revenue, so he raised the tax rates. The economy kept falling and unemployment rates rose to about 25%. This downward spiral, plus his support for prohibition policies that had lost favor, set the stage for Hoover's overwhelming defeat in 1932 by Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt, who promised a New Deal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover

Lots of familiar talk comparing with Trump.

What do you see?

On 10/9/2016 at 11:17 AM, joevee1446 said:

I think the pole on this site says it all.  Trump at 80% and Clinton at 20%.

I think people who post on forums and leave comments on youtube are mostly Trump supporters.  I think that's all this poll can illustrate.

There are more registered democrats, so Hillary has that.

There are 50% women, so she has that too.

And she has control of the media and support of wall street.  

If Trump wins, it will be the biggest upset since Reagan when he was trailing Carter by 6% just two weeks before the election and then won by 10%.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_polling_for_U.S._Presidential_elections#United_States_presidential_election.2C_1980

It would be another Brexit, which is a vote for nationalism rather than globalism (do you see why wall street wants Clinton?)