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18 minutes ago, maximus06r1 said:

Ya... why is it taking so long to count... has it ever taken this long??

 

Trump Train!!!

They needed time to figure out how many votes to find.

Just listened to Dick Morris say that.  https://www.dickmorris.com/democratic-coup-detat-how-to-stop-it-lunch-alert/

2 hours ago, Ajmboy said:

Doesn't look like its enough for Trump as Biden looks like he may win.  

Too many things look fishy.

Trump did better than I thought he'd do.

6 hours ago, davefrombc said:

LOL You think Biden's gaffes make him unfit?. How about your own ?

Listen to what tRump says.  Gaffes and semi-literacy examples are well sprinkled among his lies and plenty of them. Remember his "Super duper  hydrosonic missile "? Just one of the latest in a long line of examples if you listen for them.

If you judge Biden  by slips of the tongue that we all commit sometimes too often  then  you must consider tRump to be unfit to be a latrine orderly ,let alone President.

Trump is just dumb and for some reason didn't know how to pronounce "Yo Semites", but Biden's brain is obviously falling apart.

 

No free Cunity College

This guy's videos are pretty funny.

 

Just got back from voting for Trump and republicans.  Didn't have much choice in my area since they're almost all republicans running unopposed.

I was watching the 1980 election on youtube and couldn't believe Reagan won all but 6 states in landslide, but only 50.7% of the popular vote.  So maybe Trump can pull it off.

40 minutes ago, quadmaniac said:

Obamacare essentially caused rates to go up on the middle class to take care of the lower class

Bingo!

If you want to take care of the poor, the rich ain't gonna pay for it and it will be on the backs of the middle class.  It's that way all across Europe and it's what the Yellow Vests were protesting.

Bloomberg is spending billions trying to get Biden elected to get Obamacare back because the people are demanding some solution to healthcare and he doesn't want to pay for it with Medicare For All.

Just now, Jarheadgreasemonkey said:

Like momma always said...

Good fences make good neighbors because friends are often just enemies who don't know it yet.

4 hours ago, davefrombc said:

I doubt Hunter Biden would have been stupid enough to drop a laptop off for repair if it contained evidence of wrongdoing on his part. Would you?

If I were the crackhead son of a VP, yeah maybe.  Is he in jail?  Nope.  So what's dumb about it?  Hunter can get away with anything so why does he need to live in reality?  Laws only apply to regular people.

8 hours ago, davefrombc said:

I definitely don't share your view of Biden or what you think his agenda is.

They rigged the primary to undermine Bernie and get Biden in there.  What do you not understand about that?  Biden exists specifically to stop Canada-style healthcare.  Period.

Trump is just bumbling around and isn't setting up stumbling blocks to socialized medicine.  On the contrary, Trump is trying to get the stumbling block ruled unconstitutional so there is no choice but medicare for all.

8 hours ago, davefrombc said:

For example Obama care would have been far different than what you got if there had not been so  many concessions and changes made to  the right

Obamacare = Romenycare = A RIGHT WING PLAN.  What do you not understand about that?

Everything Biden will do is designed to stop everything you think should be done.  That's why wallstreet and billionaires support him.

No wonder Canada is heading to the right because you people are totally blind.

And it's really funny that Trump now has Bernie campaigning for him:

 

@quadmaniac  I remember car batteries were $70 and one day I walked into an autozone and saw batteries were $300 and said "OMG what happened to the price of batteries?"  Everyone in the store said in unison "Obama!"

$300 batteries, $4 gas, obamacare... why would anyone want to go back to that?

And don't forget Biden is doing everything but banning guns.  His gun page is a mile long.  https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

3 hours ago, davefrombc said:

Please explain to this Canadian how anyone can support the most incompetent and corrupt individual to ever hold the Presidency of the U. S. of A.

I think most are mainly voting against Biden.  I already tried explaining how bad Biden is, but you won't listen.  And I already said you were right about Trump years ago on the other thread, so you know I'm fair-minded and can admit when I'm wrong, but I don't feel like you're reciprocating.  Trump is like a loose cannon rolling around on deck crashing into things, but Biden is specifically intent on sinking the ship.  That's the best way I can sum up our choices.  So if you say Trump is incompetent, then I say that's a good thing.  If he were competent then I might worry.

7 hours ago, quadmaniac said:

I’m curious what everything thinks about the NY POST Hunter Biden article that twitter and Facebook pulled: 

I can't find any reason to doubt it.

You may like this guy Mike Rivero  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbXZVzTsVfs

He's usually good for a levelheaded analysis.

7 hours ago, davefrombc said:

As far as tRump not saying anything so  sinister as Biden's comment (taken  out of context) you haven't listened very closely to  many of his comments and actions, 

Biden "it provides 53 death penalty offenses... we do everything but hang people for jaywalking in this bill!" 

The context is people were saying the bill was not tough enough, so Biden described just how tough it is by bragging how it provides 53 new ways to kill people for trivial crimes as the "hang people for jaywalking" metaphor alluded to.

What has Trump said that is comparable to creating 53 new ways to kill people?

I'm no giant fan of Trump, but one thing I liked was his pardoning that woman who was locked up (for life I think) for cocaine possession, probably as part of Biden's crime bill... all while Biden's son is the biggest cokehead on the planet.

8 hours ago, davefrombc said:

Jimmy Dore and the truth are not exactly compatible.

I challenge you to find something Jimmy said that is not true.  I'd expect you'd be excited to substantiate your accusation and seize the opportunity to drag Jimmy through the mud.

8 hours ago, davefrombc said:

I see your post as that of a true tRump  cultist.

Aversion to facts is a symptom of TDS.  I've had TDS myself and it can be pretty brutal.  Biden winning the nom and causing me to have to support Trump cured me.

8 hours ago, davefrombc said:

Many , if not most of the things Biden  has been falsely accused of both morally and legally have been presented against tRump

How do you know the accusations are false?

Whataboutism is no justification for Biden's actions.  There are plenty of bad things to say about Trump but none of it excuses Biden and it's beside the point that Biden exists specifically to stop Bernie, progressives, medicare for all, and any help for the people in order to protect the rich which is the greatest evil I can imagine.  Trump is mainly just out for himself and greed is far less evil than specifically trying to hold people down so the rich can profit.

Biden's wars, drug war, prisons are just mechanisms to get rid of "superfluous people" in lieu of providing jobs or welfare.  Herd them into slums where they prey on each other until they're arrested for drugs and put to work for the state for 5 cents per hour.  Alternatively they could join the military where they're sent to die in needless wars that only exist to make the industrial military complex richer.  So yeah, 53 new ways to kill people is right up Biden's alley.

5 hours ago, davefrombc said:

Medicare for all is really Obamacare under another name.

That's like saying Biden is Trump under another name, which is actually more true than what you said.

Medicare for all (MFA) is 4% tax on income above $29k.  So if you make $29k or less, you pay nothing.  No co-pays, no deductibles, no bills, no nothing.  You just go to the doctor and that's it.

Obamacare (ACA) mandates you buy insurance which allows insurance companies to name their price since you have to buy it by law.  Wouldn't it be nice if the gov made everyone in the country buy your product?

ACA = Insurance company stocks go to the moon = rich people get richer.

MFA = Insurance companies go out of business = rich people get poorer.

The ave cost of insurance is $6000.

4% of ($179,000 -$29,000) = $6000.

MFA = Everyone making less than $179,000 will save money.  Someone making $1 million will pay $38,840.

ACA = Someone making $1 million will pay $6000.

So you can see that ACA puts all the burden on the middle class with high premiums while the rich profit.  MFA puts all the burden on the rich while the poor profit.

The ACA was designed specifically to prevent MFA from happening.  It is a republican plan originally called Romneycare where the intention is to provide at least something to the poor before the people get angry and demand socialized medicine.  What could be more evil?

Doctor #1 (Trump) will do nothing for you.

Doctor #2 (Biden) will do everything in his power to prevent you from getting a cure, but will give you an analgesic.

Why would you choose someone who promised to do everything in his power to prevent you from having the cure?  I'd rather have nothing at all than to have a stumbling block placed in my path.

6 hours ago, davefrombc said:

Biden is a lot more middle of the road than Bernie.

Biden exists specifically to stop Bernie.  Biden is Bernie's antithesis.

1,040,883,133 Reasons Why Bernie’s Supporters Will Never Support Joe Biden https://ridethefence.com/2020/04/09/1040883133-reasons-why-bernies-supporters-will-never-support-joe-biden-seriously-we-counted/

Warmonger: Biden advocated for war with Iraq long before 9/11 and supported the war in Afghanistan.

Racist: In the ’70s, he advocated for segregation, claiming the decision was based on “black pride.” He opposed busing as well, and has been called out on it many times over the years, even by Kamala Harris.

His choices disenfranchised at least 22,600,000 African Americans at the time. In 1977, he said that if desegregation isn’t done properly, his kids will end up having to grow up in “a racial jungle with tensions having built so high that it is going to explode at some point.”

Prison-Industrial Complex Enthusiast:  He took it further in the mid ’90s, writing the The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. This bill hurt millions of Americans, although it disproportionately affected African Americans.

Ageist & Hater of Veterans: Innumerable attempts to cut funding for Social Security, Medicare, and veterans’ programs.

Anti-Choice Activist:  The Hyde Amendment, which prevents tax dollars from funding abortion, arguably prevents mainly poor women from receiving them. Although most democrats vocally denounce it, Biden retained his stance until recently.

Xenophobe:  From 2009 to 2016, Obama and Biden’s administration was responsible for overseeing the deportation of over 3,000,000 undocumented immigrants, averaging nearly 400,000 a year.

Godfather of Orwellian Surveillance of U.S. Citizens:  Biden wrote a bill in 1995, The Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995, which was tailored to fit the “needs” of George W. Bush in 2001–it became The Patriot Act.

Staunch Supporter of Student Loan Debt:  Biden helped pass The Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention And Consumer Protection Act of 2005. This bill not only made filing bankruptcy much more difficult, but it most notably removed student loans from erasable debt.

American Jobs Executioner:  Biden voted for NAFTA among other pathetic trade agreements.

How could Biden be more to the right???  Biden is even to the right of Trump.

We could give more reasons, but if this won’t convince you, nothing will. Just admit that you don’t care how terrible he is. Say it out loud for us:  “I don’t mind voting for a War criminal, Prison-industrial complex enthusiast, Racist, Ageist, Hater of veterans, Anti-choice activist, Xenophobe, Homophobe, Godfather of Orwellian surveillance of U.S. Citizens, Staunch supporter of student loan debt, American jobs executioner, Pedophile, Rapist, and Sundowner because I hate Trump so much."

6 hours ago, davefrombc said:

It has to be done a step at a time

It cannot be done one step at a time because with each step the motivation to continue taking steps will decline.  The more people who have access to healthcare means there is less motivation to provide care to more people.

If there is 1 homeless person will the gov do anything?  How about 10?  100?  1000?  100,000?  How many homeless must exist before the gov will address the problem?  So the key is to keep the number of homeless right at the number where no one regards it as a problem.  100,000 homeless is probably acceptable, so there can never be motivation to reduce the number to zero.  Same with healthcare: the more people have it, the less motivation to provide more of it.  One step at a time is guaranteed not to work.

6 hours ago, davefrombc said:

I must say I see a lot of Jimmy Dore

Because he speaks the truth.

 

Biden "it provides 53 death penalty offenses... we do everything but hang people for jaywalking in this bill!"  I can't see Trump saying anything so sinister.

1 hour ago, GrizzlyRider said:

They really should have put up a better candidate.

The DNC went to all the trouble of rigging the primary to get Biden in there to stop Bernie and Medicare For All in order to protect the rich.  They admitted in court that they rigged it in 2016 for Hillary and it's the right of a corporation to conduct its own election any way it sees fit, including rigging it, and that since Bernie donors knew it was rigged when they donated they were not entitled to refunds and the case was dismissed.  I think they're appealing to higher court now.  Backstabbing Bernie is the #1 reason I'm voting for Trump. 

The US general election is essentially a republican primary.  If Biden were actually on the left, I would vote for him, but Biden exists specifically to stop progressives and that's why they're propping up a sick old man.

https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/
http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/wasserman-schultz-dnc-rigged-primary-judge-dismisses-fraud-lawsuit

Once Biden is installed, Obamacare (ie Romneycare) will be entrenched which will forever prevent Medicare For All.  Obamacare puts the burden of healthcare on the middle class with high premiums while the rich profit.  Medicare For All puts the burden on the rich.  That is why billionaires support Biden over Trump 2 to 1.  That's why Biden is raking in the money while Trump is collecting small donations (like Bernie).  That's why the media and every establishment is making it seem so imperative that Biden wins.  If Trump wins, then it's a mere 4 years until progressives can try again, but if Biden wins then progressives are done for at least 12 years.

Our only hope at this point is the SCOTUS will strike down Obamacare which will leave Medicare For All as the only possibility.

 

Biden and the DNC are the greatest evil and that's why I'm voting R down the line.

 

6 hours ago, Ajmboy said:

Please be respectable with open discussion and please vote

But you didn't vote lol!  I am the only one who voted so far (and I guess it's pretty evident for who lol).

50 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

Even though we have had  universal  care in varying form  here for years across Canada, the  for profit  health care industry  is still spending millions every year trying to  gut it.

I hear the same is going on in the UK.  Step 1: Defund it so it doesn't work.  Step 2: Privatize it for big profits.  Step 3: Government bails it out when it inevitably fails.  They will whittle you down eventually and it will be another glaring "failure" of socialism.

It's like "How many times do we have to beat you down before you get it through your head that socialism never works?"  It's so transparent, but few can what they're doing.  Getting their grubby little hands on social security is like the Holy Grail of big profits, then the taxpayers will really be wringed dry when they have to bail that out.

@davefrombc I know someone who had a heart attack and said if she were not unconscious and blue laying on the floor she would have said not to call the ambulance because she can't afford it.  Her biggest concern was not dying, but being saddled with the cost when the reason she was working so hard in the first place was because she can barely afford to get by which is what caused her heart attack.  The US is like a 3rd world country.  All we're missing is people selling kidneys for food.

 

16 hours ago, davefrombc said:

I  find it disappointing more people don't  chime into this thread  from  both the  Dem  and GOP  sides of it.

It's not about facts, but emotions like rooting for a sports team. So all we'll get is fighting and butting heads.

The poll at the top says 37 votes for Trump and 10 for Clinton, so not sure how this forum could be characterized as a liberal bastion, but then again I don't leave this thread so I don't really know how it is out there.  Hard to imagine many are supporting Biden though.

15 hours ago, davefrombc said:

Were were paying a monthly fee for our health care here in BC

Sounds like the neoliberals got to you too.  Sales tax and monthly fees are just another version of obamacare putting the burden on the middle class.  Bernie had it right taxing income, but that makes it hard to shovel the burden on the middle class.

15 hours ago, davefrombc said:

Bring back the tax structure of the  1950's.

From 1932 to 1982 the rich paid effectively 50% of their income in taxes.  Those 50 years were the years America led the world by every metric.

15 hours ago, davefrombc said:

he really  only has so  much control  over  what the  House and Senate pass.

Come on man:

53 death penalty offenses!  Cops carry it out on the streets.

 

51 minutes ago, quadmaniac said:

Middle class is already paying for it with shitty healthcare, high deductibles and couldn't keep our doctors. Its outrageous actually. At least I have a low income family member that can benefit and I can feel a little better about it for them, by my healthcare plan for what I pay was drastically reduced. If I wanted the same coverage, my monthly payment more than doubled under a family plan. This is why I hate ACA/Obamacare. Screwed the middle class worker who relies on an employer sponsored healthcare plan.  I want that thing gone.

Everybody hates obamacare and that's part of the point.  Either the poor are taken care of while the rich are protected or else the people want to go back to before obamacare which benefits the rich, so they win either way.

On the other hand, medicare for all is nothing out of pocket.  No paperwork, no deductibles, no copays, no nothing.  Just 4% tax on income above $29,000 and you go to any dr in the country.  In comparison, Canada has a 5% sales tax to fund their healthcare and I'm sure Dave will tell how great that is.  US and Canadian taxes are almost identical except for their 5% national sales tax.

Income tax 33% vs 37% (CA vs US)

Corporate tax 26.5% vs 21%

Employer's share of social security 7.37% vs 7.65%

Employee's share of social security 6.72% vs 7.65%

https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/personal-income-tax-rate

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/personal-income-tax-rate

Canada does it, but we can't afford it?  No, the rich don't want to pay.

Yeah it probably would increase wait times because it's so easy to go to the dr, but Bernie also wanted to make it easier to get the education to be a dr so we'd have more of them.  The rich don't want to pay for that either.  It's Biden's job to be sure none of that ever happens.  That's why they rigged the primary to get Biden in there and they're counting on people like Dave hating Trump so much that they have no choice but to vote for Biden.  I don't know if it's going to work.

Michael Moore is sounding the alarm again  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/29/michael-moore-donald-trump-repeat-2016-warning

9 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

tRump  got elected, not because of Obama/ Biden, but because of an anachronistic  Electoral College,

Like Obama said, if Hillary had conducted a decent campaign, the electoral college would not have been an issue.  She couldn't win the swing states.  A good candidate should be able to win those states.

9 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

and years of character assassination of Hillary Clinton that had too many believing the GOP lies and accusations against her; 

Hillary and Trump are the most hated politicians in Gallup history.  That is not based on lies.  Biden is probably 3rd most hated by now.  https://news.gallup.com/poll/197231/trump-clinton-finish-historically-poor-images.aspx

9 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

You have a  much better chance of taking steps to achieve it under  a Biden administration

No way because Biden exists to stop medicare for all.  That's his sole purpose in life at this moment.  Obamacare puts the burden of the poor on the middle class while the rich profit.  Medicare for all puts the burden of the poor on the rich.  Under Biden, the poor will have healthcare, but the middle class will pay for it with high premiums and taxes while the insurance companies make big profits.  Once Obamacare is entrenched, there is no way to push for medicare for all.

9 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

Biden is a realist. 

Biden is corrupt and owned by wallstreet.  Biden says we can't afford healthcare but Cananda is doing ok right?  Biden's "realism" says your country can't do what it's doing.

9 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

Just how do you feel   Biden  is so  bad?   Other than having a  battle with a speech impediment that  he still fights,  what has he done that is so bad?

I thought I already said why.  He wrote the crime bill that locked up untold multitudes of blacks for drugs.  He wrote the patriot act that sanctioned spying on citizens and detainment without charges.  He is a supporter of private prisons that profit form his crime bill.  He exists to stop progressivism.  Trump is just a bumbling moron out for himself but Biden is truly evil.  Kamala is no better.

1,040,883,133 Reasons Why Bernie’s Supporters Will Never Support Joe Biden  https://ridethefence.com/2020/04/09/1040883133-reasons-why-bernies-supporters-will-never-support-joe-biden-seriously-we-counted/

@davefrombc None of that matters.  People are going to vote for him anyway regardless what he does or how he acts.  That's why it's so hard to predict because none of it is quantifiable.

And Biden exists to stop medicare for all to protect the rich.  If Biden is in there, then no progressive can possibly come to power.  If Biden wins 2020, then Kamala wins 2024 and maybe 2028.  By 2032 we will flip back republican like always and that republican will likely be worse than Trump because they've been trending that direction since Bush Sr.  But if Trump wins 2020, then progressives have a shot in 2024 and medicare for all is still on the table.  That's why it's so imperative everyone vote Biden to protect the rich and they're leveraging hatred for Trump to effect that.

You might say Trump coddles the rich more, but it's so egregious and blatant that the risk is people revolt and a progressive comes to power who will really put the screws to the rich, so it's better to get Biden installed to prevent that fate and get everyone calmed down and put back to sleep.

And the police violence is actually Biden's fault because he wrote the crime bill.  He said "we do everything but hang people for jaywalking with this bill."  As bad as Trump is, I can't see him saying anything that sinister.

15 minutes ago, quadmaniac said:

keep in mind that it was the Obama/Biden years that got Trump elected.

Precisely!  If anyone thinks this Trump is bad, wait until they see the one coming after a run of Biden.

@quadmaniac I'm no longer confident in my prediction that Trump will lose because I didn't anticipate Biden could be this bad.  Again the DNC appoints the worst candidate they could find.  I predicated my logic mainly on the fact that more democrats exist while republicans are dying, but many are refusing to vote for either of the two evils, progressives are wise to the democratic party corruption, and some blacks and minorities are abandoning the democratic party.  I'm pretty sure Biden will win the popular vote, but I can't say which way the swing states will swing.  I think independents might replace those who are fleeing the republican party.  Anyway, it's no longer so obvious because it really has nothing to do with the economy or any metric we could observe, but more to do with emotion which is anyone's guess.