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Went winter rid'in last Saturday, the 18th. It rained like a SOB all nite & it was still rain'in to beat the band when I left the house at 0500 for the ride (Yeah, I like to leave early). :coffee: It was 31 degs F when I unloaded the bike, and Yup, it was snow'in ... it was just try'in at first but later on, it was do'in pretty good. :woot: I tried to get off on the snow a couple times, but it was soft & deep & I didn't feel like digg'in or winch'in ... so I turned around to ride at a lower elevation (7000 ft instead of the 9000 ft where I was) ... and the bike was clean up to that point .... sigh .... and I was also dry !! Yes, my expensive rain suit bibs leaked !! I'll bet I don't have a dozen rides with these & they leak. I think it must be from the rubbing of the material (Gore-Tex) on the seat while riding !!?? :wiggle: So I stuff a sweat shirt in my bibs (probably looked like I was carry'in a load, if ya know what I mean !! :smilielol5c: ) ... and I rode another 15 miles. At that point I stopped at a Forest Service shack that had an overhang porch, had some lunch, & put my other rain pants on underneath the bibs ... and rode another 30 miles. But I'm pissed !! Here's some photo's .... :seeyac: ...