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6 hours ago, Mech said:
It seems the warrior cdi, with pigtails, has a lot different stator windings than the Bigbear with the plugged cdi.. Different design and different resistances.
Better check what the stator's cdi charge windings and cdi pulse.trigger windings are..
Could you elaborate? How would I go about that. Like from a picture?
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48 minutes ago, Gwbarm said:
The biggest problem there is, if this is a wiring harness is for the Big Bear 400 there is no aftermarket CDI available, ask me how i know. It is still very doable, you just might have to do what the guy on the video did. The other option is find the right harness for the warrior, from Mechs reasearch, it doesnt sound like you got a harness for a warrior. Study the warriors harness so you will know what it looks like if you go that route. I dont see how you can figure out how to wire the CDI you bought unless there is a schematic as to how it is wired internally. Mech might have more options right now thats all i can think of.
Well thats about shitty haha. Wonder why this stuff is being sold as warrior parts then. Makes no sense. Appreciate your input.
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6 hours ago, Mech said:
Oh yeah. I looked in euro parts and their years seem to be a year or two behind yanky ones, but the warrior's still had pigtail cdi even in the later years.
The big bear seems like the closest we can find. I think that diagram is going to be the one you will have to use. It shows where each stator wire goes in the plug pinout diagram.
I think you should check the resistances of the stator wires and check they seem right for the bigbear cdi system. If they are then hopefully it will all work ok and not blow the cdi... haha.
I'd suggest changing the stator if the resistances weren't right, except that might also need a different flywheel too.. They'd do that !
And to check a different flywheel was right, you'd have to use a magnet and check the polarity of the magnets and the key position.. It would be quite a mission.
That definitely does sound like a big mission lol. We'll take a look at a big bear manual this weekend and do some more testing before reporting back. Should have gotten on here before ordering parts and made sure they were going to be right😂. Oh well, live and learn. We'll make the best out of whats already here. Much appreciated yall.
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52 minutes ago, Gwbarm said:
The wiring harness you bought, did it say it was for a Big Bear or a Warrior, and what years are we talking about.
Said warrior 350 yfm 350 97-01
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11 minutes ago, Fish0rDie said:
Oh, nothing that I know of happened. Was referring to the previous owner. His uncle sold it to him with a blown top end, and the kid never got around to it, so it just sat, which is unfortunately what its been doing a lot with me, but work is slowing down right now, so ive got at least an hour or two in the evenings to work on it.
Might just be because its chinese. They made it like I extended mine, and just used whatever colors they had lying around lol
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8 hours ago, Gwbarm said:
According to the specs, the CDI is only for the Warrior or the Kodiak. Since the Kodiak came only in a 400, the 350 engine must be from a Warrior or a Big Bear. If its chain drive that would be
10 hours ago, Mech said:Who ? What happened ? I didn't see nothing...
Yeah, family comes first even if it isn't an emergency.
This is for a bigbear but the plugs and colours look right for the cdi.
Oh, nothing that I know of happened. Was referring to the previous owner. His uncle sold it to him with a blown top end, and the kid never got around to it, so it just sat, which is unfortunately what its been doing a lot with me, but work is slowing down right now, so ive got at least an hour or two in the evenings to work on it.
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9 minutes ago, Gwbarm said:
Interesting, it sounds like the wiring harness was not for a Big Bear, i think they were all shaft drive, or i havent seen one that wasnt.
Was told the engine was off a warrior from the guy I bought the buggy from, but I think he said it was a family member that put it together, and it just sat in a field until I got it. Ive been trying to put warrior parts on it, but I guess I must have screwed that up with the wiring, although all the ebay listings say "warrior" on them. Ill have to compare to that manual posted by Mech in the morning. Thanks for taking part in this adventure lol
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4 hours ago, Mech said:
When I look up the cdi unit for a kodiak model that after-market cdi is supposed to fit according to the ad, it shows two different part numbers, one for ca and another for 49, which I presume is 49 states. But.. It doesn't say it will fit any warrior, and when I look at the 350 warrior, it uses a different cdi. The yamaha part number they say it replaces, is a kodiak model, the ca, but then they say it fits a warrior, which uses another part number !
There are three different cdi units that cover that model range the ad says their cdi will fit. Different cdi have different pin-outs, plugs, wire colour, and wiring nearly always.
Anyway.. Here's the electrical section out of the kodiak manual.. Check it carefully to see the wire colours and plug shapes match up. These diagrams should suit the yamaha cdi part number they say that unit replaces.
Thank you for that. Ill check this tonight when I get back with the wife or in the morning before work. Much appreciated. Ill report back
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8 hours ago, Gwbarm said:
Im trying to keep up so i will just start at the beginning. You bought a wiring harness but its not the right one, then you bought a CDI , im assuming it plugs into the wiring harness you bought, but is it the right CDI for that harness. Its hard to get a CDI for a harness when you are not sure which harness you have. You seem to have it wired up is anything working. Im still studying the wiring, i wasnt sure what your question was.
Haha, glad you picked up on that. To be completely truthful, im not even sure I know the exact question I'm looking for an answer to lol. I can only imagine how that sounds😂...
The listings for the harness and cdi lined up with one another, as far as model and year, but none of the colors do. All the plugs are right, but that only gets us so far. I will take some better pictures today if i get off work before the sun goes down, and ill type out what colors are where on the cdi plugs. My buddy was over yesterday testing some of the wires with a multimeter, but truthfully we have little idea what exactly we're looking for and where, so if i need to test any specific wires to help figure out where something goes just let me know. Im not getting much of anything on it right now. Wondering if there are some safeties we need to bypass too. Turn the ignition over, click the handle bar button that should engage the starter, but theres nothing, I'm not even hearing the magnet in the solenoid move.
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50 minutes ago, Mech said:
The critical thing is what sort of cdi unit you have. The stator and wiring has to suit that. The battery charging systems hardly vary and are a simple system.
If the cdi unit has a short loom you could show us that and it might be quite simple to suss a wiring diagram. If the cdi unit had a part number it might help. If you have the wiring plug for the cdi with it's original colours it would help.
If you tell us the colours of the stator wires it might help.
The 4th pic is coming off the stator, and last is the rectifier along with a single red i believe.
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38 minutes ago, Mech said:
The critical thing is what sort of cdi unit you have. The stator and wiring has to suit that. The battery charging systems hardly vary and are a simple system.
If the cdi unit has a short loom you could show us that and it might be quite simple to suss a wiring diagram. If the cdi unit had a part number it might help. If you have the wiring plug for the cdi with it's original colours it would help.
If you tell us the colours of the stator wires it might help.
This is the one I got. Not this exact listing, but they look the same, and the listing has the exact same title. Give me just a minute, and ill get pics of the cdi plugs and the stator plug.
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Well yall, it's been a while. Work has absolutely annihilated me for the past 5-6 months, and ive had bare minimum time to work on this project. Thank you to those that helped previously during the engine rebuild, but now were on to the task of wiring, and let me tell you besides the plugs on the wiring, I am almost completely lost. Bought an ebay harness, and none of the colors line up to what i have seen on any manuals. Its all the 97-01 electronics i believe. Ill post some pictures below of the mess I'm working with. Emphasis on "mess." A lot of the wires had to be extended since the harness was made for an atv and not a buggy. The colors are a little wonky, but I was using what I had, and they were mostly for just extending the plugs, so the colors match on either end. A buddy of mine has been helping me, and we are just at a loss. Looking for general guidance or any wire specific help you could give us. Not even sure if some of the single wires are plugged in right, and we dont have a "lever switch" wondering if thats just for the brake, because the master cylinder has two screws. I suppose a + and -... We also have what I believe are the reverse and neutral sensors to plug in (the only two sensors on the engine)
P.S. peep the custom airbox i 3d printed to utilize a lawn mower filter and 2x2 coupling from lowes
If you need better pictures of anything, let me know, It's kind of hard to get pictures of this rats nest.
Wires that are not connected to anything
4th picture black wire
5th picture blue wire w white stripe left/solid blue on right
6th picture what I believe to be the lever switch from pictures I saw on ebay
7th picture is two black wires coming out of the harness. One we have running back to a black with white stripe that comes out of a different place in the harness. The other that had an end to match the single wire coming from the handle bar switch. Single handle bar wire has a white stripe, so I may try to switch those around if the ends permit it.
I know it just looks god awful, but i really do think we are close, and the idea is to figure out whats going where, then figure out how to make it look better, so bear with me haha. Any help is appreciated. Just finished a little go kart for my wife with a predator 212, and gosh do I envy that wiring (there is none😂)
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58 minutes ago, Jim Denton said:
Well that sucked.
Agreed😂. I will post another update once I get the jug, piston, head, and stator on, and get the thing back in the buggy.
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Haha, I'm still around. I posted on a few forums and thought I posted updates on all. It was the smaller gear tower on the left side. I had a parts engine that I was able to swap it out from. I think reverse was out in it originally too, but all is going well at this point. Waiting on parts right now. Needed a new stator, but I just went ahead and got a complete wiring kit along with it. Going with all I think it's somewhere like 97- 2001 electronics. I think the guy before me wired the starter to the 12v source going to the headlights or something. At least that's what I saw. The wiring was a damn mess. Planning another post when I get it completely together. Case is already together, and clutch side is already together.
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4 hours ago, Ajmboy said:
Not sure who is around but you can check the member map https://www.quadcrazy.com/communitymap/
Thank you! Hadn't found that yet
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Looks like a great time. Can't wait to get my engine running again.
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Anyone in TN still around?
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Nothing a bit more JB Weld can't handle. In all seriousness though... I'm sorry.
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Well, when i got my cart it didnt even have an air filter or box, so i suppose a clamp on will do it for me, and still be a hell of a lot better than nothing lol
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I kind of had the same question. I was recommended this forum by another member, and it looks like theres a few new posts, but a lot of the posts are from years ago. I do appreciate the information though, as a lot of it is still relevent today.
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When mine did this it was a valve issue. Something had actually lodged it's way in the valve and stopped it from seating. Just to give anyone else checking this an idea of what else could be causing this.
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Rick's off road in Kentucky. Went out to him, and he gave very fair prices. Said he also did a lot of ebay sales, so I'm sure if you contacted him he'd be willing to ship. Great guy, and had just about any quad/bike/etc you could think of and plenty of parts.
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Too much fuel. In my experience thats what causes the carbon buildup. Never had the issue on an atv engine, but on cars, intake leaks from the intake, valves, and headgasket can also give you inconsistent fuel delivery. Just to give something more than carb(even though that's the most likely culprit)
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Wish I knew more places here in TN
With that being said, also wish mine was running haha
Help on a "yamaha 350" wiring.
in Yamaha ATV Forum
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Probably was in that range originally. I have no idea though, as one half of the case is the one from the buggy that i bought. The other came from a kid I traded a 3ds to he had a warrior that threw a rod bearing, but i just needed the top end and the case half with the oil drain as that had been mangled. Internals were from whichever looked better, but they were all the same. The stator was purchased on ebay and said that same 97-01 in the listing. The plugs match what are on the harness.