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What do you all think about it being the CDI or voltage regulator?

Hey all, Still have my 03 wolverine 350. Where to begin.... I'm trying to figure out why its missing really bad. It was (still is, as you'll read later) missing real bad as soon as you got into it so I took it to my brothers place on my trailer because a mechanic from a Yamaha dealership is a friend of his and he was to stop by and look at it. Well, I dropped it off (my brother only lives about 8 miles from me) when he wasn't home one evening. He called me next evening and said I was right that the thing didn't have NO throttle at all. I told him when I dropped it off it had about less than 1/4 throttle then it would miss and just act real ugly. So I drove down and sure enough it had no throttle, it just acted like it had a rev limiter on it as soon as you touched the throttle. It idles fine and it starts fine. Anyhow, the next day the mechanic stopped by and went straight for the stock carb, there he found a pinhole in the diaphragm so i shelled out 100 bucks for a new diaphragm assembly online and close to that for another battery as oddly enough the battery was going also. Mechanic put it all back together and still no throttle. So he got to checking things and here the parking brake switch was going bad. Disconnected the 2 wires and held them apart and the throttle took right off (So he took the switch out and taped the wires apart). Took it home and 5 minutes into running it, it starts to miss again! Doing the same thing (I can putt around with it in the yard but as soon as i go to get on it it misses). BTW, wasn't my battery, my starter is bad. Put new battery in and even jumped it from battery to starter and nothing so I need to Now rebuild the starter:aargh: The Mechanic adjusted my valves and timing chain also when he worked on it. But like I said, I picked it back up brought it home because it had full throttle and he thought it was fixed, rode it for 5 minutes or less and its right back to the beginning and I'm minus a few hundred bucks. I know thats a long as* story but I wanted to tell it because I don't think its a coincident that that dam PB switch went out just by putting it on the trailer for 8 miles on nice roads. Does anyone think the PB switch was causing all this to begin with and now that its NOT IN IT AT ALL could it be why its running the way it is? And why did the starter pick the same time to go bad? Coincidence? The week before it started acting up I had just put a new CV joint and bearings in the left front. Plus I had to bend my hub back straight. I must did it jumping or riding wheelies. I don't know when or how because I did'nt notice the wobble until I took it out on the main road one day. 2 days after that my 5 year old nephew was on it going the loop in second gear and it started shutting off. I parked it. Then next eve when I rode it, is when it was missing real bad. Not only was it missing but about half throttle it acted like it had a rev limiter kicking in. So then, thats when I took it to my brothers. Coil and plug are new also. I need to figure this out because I'm really getting tired of putting money into this machine for parts I don't need. I also need to stop letting Mechanics from my local Yamaha dealer work on it! I think theres more to this PB switch but I'm not sure how smart the cdi is. If you all don't think its related any Ideas would be greatly appreciated. I don't know if this helps but it doesn't take long for the engine to get hot (but I think those 350 warrior blocks always seemed to run hot) you know like, don't ride with shorts on hot . My oil temp light does work but doesn't come on. So more or less this Wolverines been down for a few months. Thanks all.

Ya DD. Since I didn't have any replies after 30 or more views I made my own solution. I tried to delete my question so it wouldn't clutter up the board. The edit was the best I could do. I would've just left the question posted if my solution might of helped someone else out. But... I just bought all the possible parts that could've been bad and that wouldn't of helped anyone out in the future if they where trying to pinpoint the same problem.

finally got that coil in the mail. since it came without a cap, i'll have to put one on the wire. Then i can finally rule at least one thing out, if it doesnt help...

Took the oil check cap off while running and the oil spit out pretty good. That at least tells me the oil pump is working. How well I'm not sure.

C, this is why I love this dam board. No one jumped on my sh** by saying "well technically if you rebuild a car engine you have rebuild a 4 stroke", thus stroking their fragile EGOS. I was waiting for it… First post was a constructive post. HELL YEA! Its oil/air cooled as it’s cooled by oil that’s run through an oil cooler that is cooled by air. This is really gonna seem coincidental but I ran that beast some last night in the mid 40's here and it ran pretty good. Acted up some but it seemed to "Cool" down quicker. I’ve checked the oil light and it works (sensor could be screwed up I guess) No Oil leaks as I sit it in my garage allot of nights.

The valves might be it, I could see them somehow getting hot and not seating (hell they might need adjusted as far as I know since the dealer was told to do it when they had it and they didn’t do sh** really:skeptic:). But the oil is pretty fresh yahma lube with only cpl hours and the level is good. I could see the timing doing it as I’ve seen this on vehicles after it warms up (but ive never timed a 4 strike bike engine). The piston ring doesn’t make sense to me as it only does it when it starts to spit and sputter really bad and its only when I clear the throttle out (not like its smothering the combustion with oil as its not that bad of a smoke cloud) plus it should be smoking like a train when I have it wound out tight or just playing with the throttle before it starts acting up. Although I could be wrong, hence why I joined a forum like this as my knowledge of 4 strokes is very very limited:confused: At this point I would tear it down and rebuild the carb and rings and whatever. If the lobes where bad on cam it should do it on startup I would think. So I think the cam should be good, no? OK, so if it was you guys machine what all would you rebuild. Remember I'd like it to be as close to stock as possible when done (I dont need anything else to kick my as* with, as my knee is just now healing after my YZ kicked me off of it a week ago). Plus, where can I get timely parts. That ignition coil still hasn’t arrived from one of theoutdoornetwork owned sites. I usually get them from my local Yahmaha dealer but I think after this experience with this wolverine they've seen the last of me. Give me a practical list of what all it could be guys and I'll gather the parts and do it. This is as good as time as any to tear down my first 4 stroke. kinda weird I haven’t yet since I’ve rebuilt 2 strokes and 305's and a 351W (think ive heard "its not worth the trouble" too many times when dealing with 4 strokes) I’m tired of this thing acting up I want to play on it when the snow starts to fly, which is not that far away.

Another symptom: When clearing the trottle out when its acting up it will throw white smoke from the exhaust.

Well, at out curiosity I decided to leave the woods after playing a bit last night and ride a few hardtop roads for about 20-25 minutes (there’s a lot of township roads where I live). I noticed that it does have a decent top end and is a really smooth ride. But...it definitely has a low rpm miss to it, i.e. when I was in 4th and needed to be in 3rd it would have a miss (Nothing that couldn’t be cleared out by upping my rpms)or in fifth and needed to be in fourth. That’s most likely another symptom that’s tied into the other issue that this beast is having. Also, I think most CDI boxes heat up if they’re going bad. I checked the box after ridding a while and it was pretty cool to the touch (definitely not overly hot).

"but im stumped..." Don’t kick yourself over it though outlander. To be honest this is the best dam forum on the net when it comes to atv advice as I posted this on a few others and maybe got 2 responses. At least you and others took a proactive position on this problem and divulged yourselves deeper. And for that I thank all of you I'll let you know when the coil arrives if that helps. This is probably a long shot but does the CDI on this machine kill it when it acts up or could it be heating up then acting up then maybe cooling off when I get out of the low end? I only keep at this cuz I know I might as well by a new one instead of taking it back to my dealership (stealership) especially since they couldn’t fix it the first time.

No, they didnt know how many miles or hours where on it (1 owner). Not one break in any of the plastics but that doesnt tell me how hard it was ran. The engine is oil/Air cooled as the air cools the oil cooler on the front. The oil light passes all the inspections to see if its functioning right and it hasnt come on yet. but ya the block and crank case gets hot as hell but to some extent thats normal, no? it doesnt smoke at all and I dont loose oil. If I wasnt such an optimist id swear that 4 stroke is overheating...but its not really showing much for symptoms except maybe for the reason why im here. Also, when your in the woods theres not much of a chance for the air to cool the oil cooler. but still, i could see it if i was on it for a couple of hours in the woods.

"the carb might be giving to much gas to the engine causing it to bog down at such low rmps" ya i follow ya outlander, but wonder why it has to heat up before it acts up? or is it just taking a while to load up the breather hose and such. when im in the woods, im only in first or second then after a little bit of playing (like 10 minutes) it starts to miss and cut out on me something fierce unless i can get it out of the woods to get the machine geared up, then it clears right up (but i cant go back into woods with any low end rpms without first letting it cool down). Still has me confused as I think its still heat related because if I leave it cool down it’s a brand new machine all over again (then again it could just be that the gas is somehow clearing out) sh** I dunno. The carb is a Mikuni BST34/1 the manual doesn’t list the jet but I looked on the net and only found a few that where put on different machines and one had a 162.5 stock main.

Outlander, I got home early enough this evening so I drained the bowl and ran it into the woods and soon enough (after doing some rock and log crawling) it started acting up. This time I thought I was gonna need a tow out as I was playing in a steep ravine with no low end power but I spitter & sputtered my way around the climb out. So I loosed the boots, spun the carb around and took off the bowl. I couldn’t see any build up on the float valve (needle) like some do. Although those parts can just wear out and still look good as I’ve found out in other mechanical adventures. I did notice while messing around that when I hit the throttle a good bit of gas sprays back into my air box. Also, the breather line from the carburetor to the head was full of gas. Is this all normal? The main jet is a 160. Does anyone know if that’s stock or if someone stuck a bigger one in? Anyhow, I did adjust the flaot a tad but it didnt help as I took it out again.. So still clueless...but hopefully getting closer to an answer…

Hey all, Just had some time to stop in at the house to grab some lunch so I figure Id hop on here so you dont think I'm ignoring you all. I did order the coild but it seems like it will take a bit to get here as I ordered it from one of Outdoornetworks sites. I havent had the chance yet outlander to heat up the wollvy and get it sputtering and drain the carb to see if that helps. Thanks again guys.

Thanks Outlander, I'll try that tom night. Are you thinking the float might be sticking? DD, I went ahead and ordered the coil (cant hurt as the one on now looks original) thanks for the idea. Also, am i right in thinking that if it was the CDI acting up the wolvy wouldnt even run?

well i got the chance to rattle some cages this afternoon and i got nowhere. The dealer said they still had the old boot and theyd put it on and refund my new one but my old boot was crap (it was weak). He said Theyd be happy to look at it again and suck some more money out of me (well not in those exact words) but the same meaning. Anyone in here think it’s the carb, or could it be a number of things? I'll just rebuild the carb if you all think thats the way to go (A new complete Mikuni is almost $400 for my machine) so the rebuild sounds a little better if i can find the kit, if not i'll just have to buy the individual parts. Thanks again guys..

hmmm, that little miss is coming back it had when I bought it after it warms up. I never mentioned it because the dealer said it was the plug and it was running good for about 3 hours total riding (Well without a miss, but still poochy in low) after I got it back from the dealer. So I put 2 females on the back last night both about 115lbs each to see how it took the weight (after I ripped it around some and warmed it up). I know it acts up climbing in low after it warms up but I wanted to see how it acted after it was warmed up with a heavy load on it. The thing ran like total crap. I believe it was loading up bad OR STARVING FOR GAS because I hardly had any power in first, it was missing and bogging down until I shifted into neutral and revved it a few times then my throttle would come back smooth. But as soon as I shifted into first with the load on it, the wolvy almost died on me trying to get up out of the woods. So when I got out of the woods I went down the main road with the 2 passengers still on and used all 5 gears and the dam thing ran like a well oiled machine (Even through 1-2 starting out on a leval blacktop road). It hauled some as* even with the extra weight. Took the plug out today and it was somewhat black (I did have to use emery cloth on it). But it wasn’t in horrible shape (remember it’s a pretty new plug). Card rebuild time, or am I over looking anything else?

Ya im definitely gonna rattle some cages when I get the chance. But, you know how that will go

Quote: Originally Posted by Stoopidbot1 That is really weird! You're a mechanics nightmare. No symptoms. Ya i know the feeling as a weekend wrencher. Prob why the dealer gave it back to me and said "runs great". Its been down to 48 at night here in PA already and it starts right up with NO choke after its been sitting 24 hrs cuz past few days ive been working from 6am till around 10pm, it does however take about a minute to warm up which is normal... What pisses me off that my local "BIG" "GREAT" Yahmaha dealer kicked it back to me with a $400 bill and said it was good to go, even after I explained everything Ive told all you to them. After all, thats why I took it there. They changed oil, new plug, new boot and back brakes. They said the boot was my power loss problem (it wasnt). Sh** Id hate to take it back to them. Wonder how much I could get the whole carb replacement for on the net. Not like I'm building a racing bike here, I just want that low end power loss back. I have a dirt bike and other things to kick my as* with. I bought this because I wanted a 4wheel drive. I do have the warn select on it but I dont use it, thats why I dont count it as being on it. Only thing Ive actually physically changed has been the addition of a gorilla winch. It had some thing called a tug2k on it and it was crap. I took the air box apart in the garage and cleaned it completely. Someone put a cork in the bottom of it where the Check hose was? Ran it some with the lid off (In the garage) Dam it runs good but I don’t want to run it lean or whatever it might do. Machines in Excellent Condition. If it was a wreck Id trade it in or part it. What about the valves do they need adjusted? I asked the dealer to do it but... To be continued…

Na no smoke at all. Its kinda strange because as soon as i start it up it runs like a bat of hell then after it warms up after 5-10 minutes it starts to lose the lower end (dogier in the throttle) but it doesnt get worse as I ride it more . Carbs been cleaned by dealer (so they said) and I know the boot and to intake and plug is new. Strange eh? Not loosing any oil. I sprayed all around carb with cleaner to see if it was sucking air and it wasnt.

Well i dont run a warn 2x4 select so its always in 4 wheel drive (not sure how easy that is to spin the wheels while in 4 wheel Dr from the start point). I can spin em in da grass after i get my rpms up in first of or second and i'm traveling, just not going uphill over a log (when I get stuck it bogs down unless I get off and rock it). I think I'm gonna go back to stock sized tires (Carlisle Brand) and see if thats what i'm missing???

No they are oversized carlisle badlands...about 25 inch... i think stock is 23 inch

That outlaw superduty clutch kit is listed as a 2x4 Wolverine?

Hey All, I picked up a 03 Wolverine about a month ago. Rode it for about a week and sent it off to my local Yamaha dealer for repairs, it took about 2 weeks for me to get it back. They flushed the oil, plug, put a new rubber boot on between the carb and the intake and some other issues I had with it. Thy said it was one of the best cold starting Wolverine/Warriors they've worked on. I was hoping there was another problem but they claim it runs fine. My problem is (at least I think it a problem), it doesn't have enough power in first gear. Most of the time it will bog down with it throttled to the max instead of spinning the tires. I think a 350 should be able to do some light farm work and climb a hill in the woods without getting stuck IN FRONT of a small log (Not on it), which seems to be my biggest problem and its put me in some hairy situations already. Now being its shaft driven I know my options are somewhat limited here (This is one time I wish I did have a sprocket to swap out). I dont want to jet it and a T4 pipe is not a good option neither since I live in an are where noise could be a factor. Not to thrilled about re-camming it either. It has 12" rims with Carlisle Badlands XTRon the back (AT 270/60 R12). The fronts are Carlisle Badlands AT 205/80 R12.. Basically the Front and back tires are the same size. Backs around 25" and fronts are around 24 1/2". I don't care too much If I loose some of the top end speed. I'm looking for lower end power. It looks like the rev limiter is backed out all the way so I've come here for some Ideas. Should I put smaller tires on? Should I tinker with the air box? I really need some feed back on this cuz I'm used to 2 wheel drv 4 wheelers and YZ's. I wanted this wolverine for some 4 wheel off roading. Today I got suck on 2 logs (Not huge ones) about 16" in diameter going uphill very, very slightly. It wouldn't spin until I got off of it and rocked it back and forth. I'm not a little guy, I'm over 6' and around 190 lbs (But c'mon Ive had an RM 125 kick my a$$). Is it normal for it to have that little amount of torque being it's an all wheel (Slip differential) Drive ATV? Any Ideas would be great as I really want to keep this machine. I even got a sweet snow plow and winch with the sale. Thanks ahead of time guys.. Wade in PA...