Mech

Why don't you just go to Polaris and tell them that you don'f find belt drive up to your requirements. They should/might give you a refund on that buggy they sold you surely.

Oh that's a good thought Dave..

if you look the part up online, and then search around in the parts site, you might find a link that will show you what other models and years that part fits.. Sometimes the link is just selecting the part, and sometimes in the price list there will be an arrow or something that will show you.

If you go up the top of the page, click on "more", choose service manuals, and then in the new page that opens, on the right and down a bit choose yamaha, you'll find a manual.. Have a read.. It doesn't really sound like the sensor to me.. not with it only going with the key off.. If you find the right book for your bike and let me know which manual it is I'll have a look at the wiring diagram and see if I can spot anything.

I was reading up last night Keys and people do seem to say that STM are helpful, and do stand by their products. People that have had trouble, not all but some, have been given assistance, have been given extra parts to try, have had superceded parts supplied where STM seemingly considered the complaints to be legitimate, and replacement parts where there has been an actual mechanical failure in the parts. You say they had all the info and sold you a product that didn't suit your needs.. But you also say you bought the clutch through someone else. Vivid racing, who now won't deal with you. Does that mean that it wasn't actually STM that gave the guarantee it would solve all your problems ? Be honest Keys.. Isn't it the case that in fact STM have bent over backwards to try and help you ? Assistance which you repay with this treachery. I see that some people, like you, have bought these clutches and struggled to get them tuned in as they hoped they would be able to, and are disgruntled, but those people were not mechanics. Other people that did manage to get their tune right after a bit say they have been very happy with their setup, that it's performed well and they are very happy with it. There is a fellow in this forum Keys, that was trying to convince me for days that there is a certain common japanese carburetor that can't be tuned. He tells me that he's spent hours and hours and weeks and weeks and months even struggling(his words) to tune this particular make and model of carb to suit his modified quad. We got into that discussion because he disagreed with me about how the idle speed and mixture should be adjusted. He likes to tune his in a different way to what myself and the manufacturers say it should be done. I know though that when you adjust it as he was suggesting to someone, that it leads to a vicious circle of bad adjustment after adjustment trying to overcome a problem you are making worse, a problem caused by adjusting it as he prefers. He eventually claimed that doing it his way, that you didn't need any idle circuits on a carb, and there were no problems with that because we have electric start now, His theory about why these carbys are so untunable is because they weren't designed with the aid of a computer. That fellow though Keys, didn't know or understand how the various different circuits in a carby worked, let alone how they interacted and overlapped oneother. But he still insisted that it was the carby that was badly made. He simply could not bring himself to acknowledge that it was him that had the problem, not the carby. You, and your problem Keys, sounds just like this same mind set. He blames the carby maker, who have made hundreds of thousands of carbys over near a century, for being , in his opinion, incompetent. He thinks they shouldn't be selling those carbys. You, because you weren't able to tune your clutch to do what you thought it should do, blame the clutch. There are people out there that are running bigger tyres I see, and with no problems, some with stock clutches, and some with aftermarket. I also see that some people consistently get what I would consider totally unacceptable life spans out of their belts, 300 miles, while others get what for a polaris is considered acceptable.. Still only a few, very few, thousands of miles per belt. Some of those people have stock clutches and some have aftermarket. It's unfortunate that you haven't been able to get what you want or hoped for Keys, it's a pity that you think it's all somebody else's fault, but your disappointment can't all be sheeted home to STM, and you really should be able to see that in the same way the fellow with the carby should be able to see that it's not the design of the carby. Neither of you can though.. I'm sure STM are used to people like you Keys, and if I was STM Keys, having given you all the help and advice they have, to no avail, I wouldn't want to have anything more to do with you. It doesn't reflect on them Keys, by your own admission they have been very helpful, but there are some things which we professional people have to step away from because we are professional. We can't allow ourselves to be blackmailed or coerced into attempting the impossible, and refusing to attempt the impossible is the professional thing to do. They didn't design Polaris, they have no control over your driving abilities, they can't overcome every limitation of belt drive. Satisfying your unreasonable expectations is the impossible. I think you have a lot to account for here Keys.. I think you need to accept that and stop libeling these people with your scurrilous posts. I even think you should apologise.. but that's just me, that's what I would do having had these things pointed out to me. The only thing I do agree with you about is.. I wouldn't want to be "That Guy". Not because he'd wasted money, but because I wouldn't want to be him.

And no Keys, we do not have similar trains of thought. I really do not think that with a little more insights you are going to make your buggy into something it's not. I've trained apprentices, and my sons. They listened and took advice. and they are all good mechanics. They wouldn't have been in the paper for being fully qualified before turning twenty-one, or been apprentice of the year, by following advice from someone like you. Best you stick to your game, and leave the teaching to those that know about mechanics.

No Keys, I've had practically nothing to do with side by sides, I've driven a few, and driven a few belt drives. I am though well trained in mechanicing, and knowledgeable about how things work. I know practically nothing about your particular design of belt drive but I have worked on belt drives. I do know the basis of their operation, about the balance between revs at the front, and torque at the back. I also know they do not take much abuse. I know that those belt drives can be temperamental, need setting up properly, and are not necessarily intuitive in their operation or adjustments. My suspicion is that you have set off down the wrong path, ignored or not understood what you have been told regarding the new kit, made adjustment after adjustment making your problems worse not better. That and not bedding in your belts, and probably, by the things you say, and that photo, a bad understanding of how to drive a belt drive, or not driving to the requirements of the machine. It's equally obvious that you haven't read the owners manual, or have chosen to ignore it, or you'd know that they say to do a lot more than two one mile runs to bed the belt in.. just for starters. How you could get stuck in that small hole to start with, and then not be able to get out, defies belief, but there you go, you did it. It makes a mockery of your supposed "aggressive trail riding". If you'd been going even slightly briskly, as the machine is designed to do, that buggy should have just bounced straight through that puddle. No matter. At the end of the day you didn't do the research, bought a machine that was obviously not suitable for you, then didn't do more research and bought bits that were never going to overcome your and the vehicles inherent failings, and now are trying to blame it all on STM. You might as well try and blame it all on Polaris. As I said, some people just can't be helped, because they don't want to hear. Keep believing that you know better than the people that design and make these machines and parts. Keep on having unrealistic expectations. Keep blaming it all on STM. I

I didn't see you come in here asking about your belt problems Keys.. If I had I might have had a bit more advice or suggestions for you. You signed up to slag STM off.. Now my only advice is grow up, accept responsibility for your decisions and actions.

Ha..I just realised as I was walking down to the letterbox that I'd missed a decade in my calculations.. I was restoring, customising and hotting up bikes for other people when you were just getting pubic hair.. I was over hauling bikes for myself and my friends when you were in junior school. Yeah I knew how old you were Keys.. this is the internet...

I don't hate anyone Keys. I'm not loyal to any person either. I realised a longtime ago that it's the principles that are important, and that anyone can have a bad day and do something unworthy. I'm loyal to and support good principles wherever I find them, whoever I find them in, and I decry poor behavior and attitudes even in my friends. I have integrity Keys.. wholeness.. it makes being honest easy. Know yourself Keys.. Make sure you are the person you would like to be.

And just for the record.. Yes there are things I know that you don't, hard though that may be for you to swallow. I was riding a 650 BSA when you were one year old. I was overhauling motorbikes for myself and pay about the time you were getting pubic hair. I've ridden two wheels and four over every sort of terrain except ice and snow, thousands upon thousands of hours. I know vehicles, traction, balance and the outdoors like you are never going to. To me it's a way of life, not a weekend adventure. I'm a mechanic, a self employed mechanic till a few years ago, in the country, with a regular clientele. Even if it wasn't my personal choice since I was twenty-one, I've had to be honest. I've been dealing with and helping people with their vehicle problems and needs, and because I'm trusted, their financial, personal, relationship and spiritual needs, for scores of years. I saw straight through you Keys immediately. I'm a straight speaker and recognise BS when I see it, and I call it. You've been called.

I'm not your friend or brother Keys. I've got no vested interests at all. Every belt drive machine on the market stipulate their limits. There's no such thing as an idiot proof machine. Some people just can't accept that they have made a mistake, and/or, are dealing with things they don't understand. If you want a buggy with a rock solid bulletproof transmission then buy one. You should stop trying to make a sow's ear into a silk purse and blaming other people when the money falls straight through. I don't really care about your mechanical ineptitude Keys, or your inability to understand simple physics, or your lack of driving skills, what does concern me is your underhand way of trying to explain them away. If you want advice about your problem, ask, if you want advice about driving that buggy, ask.. There are plenty of experienced and competent people in here and the other sites that would be happy to help you with those.. if you are willing to listen. I think ego's getting in the way here Keys and that you are never going to be able to accept the reality of the situation though, so I doubt anyone is going to be able to help you despite any amount of good will on their part. There really are limits to what can be done to and with the machine, or for you as things stand.

Some people just can't be helped Keys.. They know it and I know it. I'll be very surprised if they waste any more of their time trying to satisfy your unreasonable expectations. Keep digging though..

No trouble. I've pulled heaps of those and similar fittings out of carbys. They come out and go back in easily and give no trouble. If you still have trouble with the pump. let me know and I'll post detailed instructions for testing the pump.. I have them already written up.

No, pull the old port out of the old carby and fit it to the new carby. That other new part there is for a different type of throttle cable, I think from memory that the spiraling machining on the ports is in a direction such that it's best to turn the port fitting anti-clockwise when you are pulling it out. I may be wrong about that, but I think you can tell which way is best to turn and pull if you try turning and pulling it a little each way. Pull the old one out of the old carby first. You only need to rotate it about a quarter or so of a turn. The spiral is very fast..

Lol.. You seem to missing the point entirely Keys, several points. First off though, are you going to tell people how many sites you joined up to just for the specific purpose of slagging off this company ? I think that people would be interested in that. I think that says a lot about you, and your sincerity and credibility as a person even though it's got nothing to do with your mechanical or driving ability. If as you claim, that honesty and credibility and all the rest of the bullshit you claim, are so important to you, then be honest, with us, and with yourself. Then I might start to be interested, then I might believe some of what you have to say. You still think you can change clutch, tyres and belt all at one time, and prove it's their clutch. That's not good science. Kids at school know that. You still think that by fitting a new clutch that you can make a belt drive stand up to abuse that the manufacturers are happy to admit is a weak point. You seem to think that STM should be responsible for the whole design of the buggy you have bought. You even seem to think STM should be responsible for your incompetence. I think you need to take a good long look at yourself here Keys. If you keep driving like a nanna that belt is always going to be vulnerable. In your other scurrilous posts ( you do know what scurrilous means don't you), you say you are a guy that likes to "scoot along". But it's obvious to every one here, and no doubt to Dustin, that you don't know what you are doing, talking about, or how to drive that buggy. Use the buggy for what it's designed for, as it was designed. Learn to drive. Realize that it's you causing the problems here, and stop digging yourself into a bigger hole, literally and figuratively. And above all Keys, stop trying to convince me that you know what you are talking about and that you are a sincere guy.. It's like you say.. DON'T BE THIS GUY. I wouldn't be you for all the tea in China. I wouldn't even stand close to you.

You need to swap the pump ports over or drill out the new one. They come out easy. use a spanner or pliers and turn the port and pull at the same time. Try to rotate it as little as possible because it has spiraling machining on it to help it stay in, They need a little rotating though to help them come out. Take the old one out first to see how it's done. The old one will push in firmly and be fine but if you are worried use a little loctite on it.

Ha. Yeah I know skidder chains.. That is a bit much alright.. You're a nutty guy !

Have you checked the bulb ?

If you're really sure it is a spark you are hearing, not a relay buzzing say, then the only thing that will make a spark you can hear will be the cdi unit firing the coil. Listen right up close to the cdi or coil, or disconnect the coil and listen, then disconnect the cdi and listen. The coil won't be firing by itself, but it might be because the cdi is faulty..

They look mighty common.. I bet they are made by some other company. I'd take them to a brake specialist and see if they can match them up, or ask an automotive parts supply place. If you have to get them apart, attach a grease gun and pump the pistons out. Make sure you wash them really well after though.

Ha, good onya. Chains are a bit extreme for me. I've used them on subarus before though.. great invention. And I was looking for those hot patches.. Not much show I don't think. I see though that they sell the hot patches, for tubes and sidewalls, and the workshop, mains power, heating clamps are still available.. for $40 kiwi.. haha.. Too cheap !

If that machine had been "scooting along", it would have bounced right through that little hole.. Scooting along is what it's made for.

Your comments Key were/are scurrilous.. end of story. There was never any " request for assistance", it was malice all the way. "There was never an issue with my Kart before I put my 30" Aqua Torque Tires on.". That's an example of changing one thing, and the one and only thing that caused the problem. Despite your saying they are the same stock size tyres, I don't think they are. Everything I read says they have 29 inch tyres. Your riding look very average to me Keys, or even rather boring. You bought a machine with well known and acknowledged limitations in regards the belt drive. Then you modified things, and as far as I can tell, drive it poorly, don't do the research and think you can overcome the well known limitations by throwing money at it. Then you have the appalling cheek to say it's all STM's fault.. You say they should "MAN UP", and admit their part in your problems. Yeah right.. Good luck with the smear campaign.. But , in the interest of credibility, how about fessing up about just how many new accounts you started up to wage this campaign. Because that's what I really find offensive. I'm a mechanic and I wouldn't want some disgruntled customer of mine doing what you do, and I bet that you wouldn't like to be on the receiving end of such behavior either.. Man up Keys, wear the losses, and in the future, do your research, and "let the buyer beware".

The other carb won't have much wrong with it.. They don't break ! If you strip it down again and clean all it's air and fuel passages it will almost certainly be all it needs. If it's a diaphragm carb, if you look really closely where the butterfly closes, there will be two or three small holes, some on the air cleaner of the shut butterfly, and some on the engine side of the butterfly when it's full closed. The hole/holes on the air-cleaner side will be really tiny and they will just look like tiny black specs in there.. They are probably the culprits. They will need a good blast of air from the butterfly.. not blown out from the idle jet side. If it's a cable on slide type carby, they have the same arrangement where the butterfly touches down. On the engine side of the point where the slide touches the venturi there will be a small hole, and on the air-cleaner side of that same point there will be another tiny hole.. They need the same treatment, a good blast from the venturi side, not up from the idle jet side. It would be worth another go.. A good rainy day job.. A spare carb is always handy.