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It may be the brushes have been reversed, changing the polarity. Have you  had them  out and accidentally  switched them ( and their wiring) when  putting them  back? If  the starter was like that when you got the machine , you could try  switching them to see if that fixes  it.. I don't know of any other way  it would reverse.

21 hours ago, DmanYo said:

I need a wire Diagram. I could keep searching and find for no work. Or ill throw a few Frugal ideas around in exchange.

Just a small problem.  Those bridge rectifiers would not work to rectify and regulate the output  of a quad's stator.  You would need 3 of them  just to rectify the output of the stator.  Then  you need circuity to smooth those voltage pulses from the  3 phases, and a regulator chip to limit that voltage to between 13.2 to 14.6 to actually  charge the battery.  There's a lot more circuitry inside that little rectifier/regulator  box than you  realize.

Your quad likely  uses a magneto ignition.  Those are killed / turned off by  grounding  the ignition, If you  are looking for continuity when  On  and  no continuity when  Off you have it backwards.. When the kill switch is in the run  position  there should be no continuity through it ,  and in the  kill position there should be continuity.  It's just the opposite of a points and condenser or electronic system.

Rod knock is usually, but not always, a duller sound than detonation ping.  It is easier to tell in a multi-cylinder vehicle like  car than  in single or twin  cylinder ones in ATVs.

  A loose rod or wrist pin can knock either under load, when backing off or  if fairly  bad even when  idling  but normally detonation only occurs under load.    When it is happening in  car,  it is  often  described  as "marbles"  rattling around in the cylinders .

Detonation is hard on everything  and if not taken  care of by  backing off the timing advance a bit or by going to  higher grade fuel can result in holes hammered or burnt  into  the pistons.

Detonation is  just that. The fuel  mixture exploding in the cylinder instead of a rapid (VERY RAPID)  burning  in the cylinder.  It can be  caused by ignition too far advanced or by  use of fuel  too  low a grade for the compression ratio /  cylinder pressures.   When  everything is right,  the fuel  actually burns rapidly as the piston descends on the power stroke.  When detonation because of over advance causing cylinder pressure to  increase  far over normal  or fuel grade is too low the fuel  instantly  burns (detonates) rather than burning continuously during the power stroke.  The rattling  noises you hear with many diesels when idling are actually mini- detonations with the  high  compression  and very lean diesel  mixture.

Heat wave and drought has been brutal with no end in sight yet, but I've been surviving it.  At least I  haven't  had to put in the 2 hours every week bouncing on my riding  lawn mower  instead of the quad.  We haven't had a total of an inch of rain since the beginning of June, and  August is normally our driest month, so there likely won't be any mowing  needed until  next spring. Down side is  the bush is  so dry and there's so many fires  going riding isn't  a very good idea.  Here's a map  of the fire situation in BC now. For perspective, the province of BC  is 3.5  times larger than New Zealand.

Knocking  noise was most likely detonation from the  over advanced condition as  Mech mentioned.

Try going directly from the battery to the starter to see if it turns over .. The  brushes in the starter could be worn and commutator dirty. They may not making contact all the time.  Also  check for loose, corroded connections. there might be a break in a wire that is not obvious too. That would allow the broken ends to make and break  with movement of the wire during use and movement. To keep  batteries from  sulphating up  when the   quad is idle  for longer periods,  use a battery maintainer..  Sulphate build up  from a battery sitting at less than  full charge causes the battery to lose capacity until  eventually it fails completely or shorts a cell.
 Sorry I can't help  more than  giving those suggestions .

Let's get back to the coming election and the  possible candidates  and choices.  This  coming one will show whether the extreme right will  take over or if the country will start to  come back to the middle of the road it began veering away from  from  the days of Reaganomics.

37 minutes ago, Ulfthednar said:

And your wrong about Religion as well.

Not just my spiritual path but in regards to a Creative being starting all of this nonsense.

So maybe you should NOT interject your hate filled anti christian rants erroneously to support your politicized propaganda rants

I am not christian, and religion has nothing to do with it although Common Sense and observation and LOGIC do.

If you had a choice in terms of creationism youd have an active option M or Option W switch built in.

Cause you know . . anything vast enough to Create the entire Universe would have the means to do so.

Evolution? in terms of evol;ution transgenderism is a non start, a complete fail. . . there is no logical inclusion or ROOM in evolution for transgender delusionalism.

Dont bring the frogs in here again either. Humans tampered with that again, by subjecting the study group to massive doses of toxic chemical. There was nothing natural about that.

 

And Ill tell ya . .  EVERY culture, civilization species and so forth that fails their young, goes extinct.

I am not religious, and I don't force my beliefs on anyone. What religions others choose to follow is none of my business.  Your "logic"  and "common sense"  are sadly lacking.. Yes,  evolution determines the path that all  life follows but like everything living, there are genetic variations that drive the evolution .  Those  that are born  with the "  non-straight"  gene normally don't reproduce , although that gene variation  still exists.  and who,besides you,  mentioned anything about frogs?

For the most part , it is the religious that  are most vocally against  the non-binary people..  But you don't have  be religious  to  deny fact when it goes against your belief.

Ulf ,Your rant against  gay / lesbians is NOT based on science , but on religion.  FACT is there are many examples of same sex paring in the natural world. There are also rare examples of  children  and animals born with  characteristics of both sexes.  Your rant against indoctrination of children should include those that try to tell  them that to be of anything except "straight"  and of the "right" religion is evil  and must be condemned  goes against both fact and Christ's teachings of acceptance of others..  Trying to indoctrinate  children  into  any lifestyle is wrong. They will develop they  way nature intended them to  do , whether we like it or not. 

I  am  also  uncomfortable when others flout their sexuality, no  matter what it is . and growing up  at a time when  those that didn't fit the norm  had to  hide the fact or face severe discrimination,  I  am  even  more uncomfortable when  non-straights do it.   FACT is what goes on between  consenting adults is none of our business.  It does not affect us unless they trey to force their views on .

 Attend whatever church , temple, synagogue, or whatever house of worship you choose. That's your choice , not mine or anyone else's.  Religious affiliation is a choice; sexual orientation,  just like left handedness, is  not  and is coded in our genes.  whether you want to accept that fact. or not.

The same goes for what others  do to their body. It affects them, not us.  Yes, some tattoos  are beautiful,  but I'd rather see them  on canvas rather than on a body, and piercings totally turn  me off,  but if they have them but that's their choice , not mine.

I  am  against the pressures that push a woman to  choose an abortion for non-medical reasons,  but again,  that is the woman's choice whether to have one or not.  It is NOT  ours to make but  very personal  one of the woman.

The farce is strong in the tRump cult. Jan.6 riots mean nothing ; Illegal posession  and hoarding  of top secret documents means nothing. Saudi billion  dollar deal with tRump's son -in-law and  the  Saudi's visits to  Mar-a-Lag while some of rthose secret documents doesn't hint at anything. tRump's attempts to get Governors  to  change state voting results  mean nothing .. I  could go  on to fill a page with illegal  actions of your cult leader before and after he entered the White House; but  all the facts mean nothing.  The  Democrats are responsible for all the graft , corruption of some of the GOP members of the Congress and Senate.  Yup. That' quite the universe you live in .

Sure makes me glad to be a Canadian living in the real  one.

With that  I'll  let  others take up the debate.

1 hour ago, flyinbrian365 said:

No that would be the Democratic supports who thinks crazy Joe is doing a wonderful job while running this country into the ground....

2 hours ago, flyinbrian365 said:

Trump has done more good for America than all the previous presidents since Ronald Regan.

The Democratic party is a complete disgrace and embarrassment to America....

You sure  live in an alternate universe

The  hold the extreme right  and the tRump cult have on the GOP  is appalling

 Those polls tell a sad tale of today's America

If it comes to needing drilling for an  "easy  out" use a  left twist drill.  Often the bit  will spin the  bolt out when it bites into it. As mentioned before ,  use some heat on it and  let it cool before using penetrating oil.  The heat would kill  the locktite  if it was used, and by letting it cool  before  using penetrating oil, you won't end up  hardening it so a drill bit won't bite.

I am saying if valves and seats look like that drawing after lapping  the idiot that did it should seek  other work.

"Multi-angle" valve jobs like shown  would only be  used on extreme performance engines.  Normal  multi-angle valve jobs are  3 angle; and with more and more manufacturers going to  aluminum heads, valve seats  are replaceable.  Cast iron  heads  may have induction hardened valve seats  but if they are cracked or badly worn  and the head is to be kept, they are machined for replaceable seats.

If you send your heads out to be serviced,  ask the shop if they  lap the valves  whether the  seats are integral  or replaceable; and  how many angles they use in performance head valve servicing.

I'll leave the reply to the comments you made to the op to  others. I don't think the moderators would allow  me to say what I think of them  and the valve pix you added.   LOL...

I'm interested in  knowing  just for what  machine that   service manual is.

Those pictures show some pretty bad valves, but what I see there , they appear to  be more likely  the wrong valves used in some applications  and in some of them  some very serious overlapping.  Lapping  new or ground valves to an undamaged seat or  recut one shouldn't result in wear on the valve of more than a few microns;  not enough to remove  any  hard surface if the valve was only  case hardened rather than through  hardened.  Those pictures do  not show valve failures from  any proper lapping.

Mike Nixon  makes a lot of noise about Neway  cutters in his motorcycle babble. I'd listen to the manufacturers  and  mechanics  that recommend  valve lapping as a part of a "valve  job"..  Just the opinion of another that spent his working life in the mechanical trades  . Listen to  GW and Mech.

Have a safe and very MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone..  

You either have an air leak somewhere between the carb and intake port, the mixture settings on the lean side or , most likely, either the high speed needle in the wrong notch or there is a tiny hole in the side of the brass tube the main jet needle slides through.  Those tiny holes are often missed when people are cleaning the carbs

A good maintainer will not boil a battery out.  They're a far cry from the old ferro-resonant trickle chargers.

Flooded batteries are not good in ATVs. They leak because of the bouncing they get from  ATV service, and  AGM batteries are needlessly expensive.  A SLA battery doesn't leak  in ATV service and in my opinion  is by far the best choice  for price and ATV reliability.

  Yes you  can top  up  a  battery every few weeks or at most every 3 to 6  months in storage , but then  you must remember to  do  it,  bring them to  full  charge and then remember to  disconnect them  from the old trickle chargers. The newer maintainers can be connected and left connected  without  worrying about boiling them  out  or having them go flat and sulfate up because you forgot to  top them  up.

Walmart Canada has batteries that fit most ATVs..  I'm  sure they do in the US also. Amazon  also lists a range of ATV batteries.   Just search on one for your ride.  Costco  likely does too.  Look at the user ratings  they list and the number of people who  commented and rated to see the average star rating.   As I said earlier in the thread, most of the batteries, whether they are a big name brand or a generic perform   about the same; and all need to be kept on a maintainer  when the ATV is idle for any length of time.  Get an SLA battery. . The cheaper flooded ones can leak with the shaking they get from ATV use.. The  AGM ones are more for use where they may be mounted in a non-upright position and are needlessly expensive. The SLA are leakproof, and maintenance free beyond keeping them  charged up . Beyond that  I cannot tell you which battery brand  is the  "Best" one.  You'll find nearly all ATV and utility batteries have a short warranty period  compared to  automotive ones.  The main reasons are the environment they are used in and so many do not keep them  charged  up when  not in use,  like the ride -on lawnmower parked and forgotten  at the end of the season  and expected to start and run  next spring for example. Get one  well rated by other buyers,  and the best price to you,  Keep  it charged up  with a maintainer and you should get years of service out of it.

It took  a friend of mine several  battery replacements before he took  the advice to  buy a good maintainer for his seasonally  used boat battery.  Buying one good maintainer is a lot better and cheaper in the long run than  buying several  batteries because they keep "Failing"

I doubt there is much use fro lithium batteries for starter batteries in  vehicles since weight is not really a problem there  and lead acid batteries serve the job very well.  The LiFePo batteries are seeing increasing use in RVs and other storage applications where large capacity in a smaller, lighter weight package is desirable.  The biggest  factor limiting their adoption so  far is their price.
The vehicle fires from lithium  batteries were mainly from the earlier lithium  ion  batteries, not the newer LiFePo ones. I don't know the safety data  on the newer ones.

Off grid systems  pose a lot of  different considerations from  RV ones.   The charge controllers available now for solar/ wind/  micro hydro systems are a lot more reliable and failsafe than  those in use a few years ago. They really shouldn't be a determining factor. Initial cost is likely still the biggest determining factor in newer installations although according to  the industry the lithium  should far outlast the lead acid ones.  I don't think there is enough long term data on that count to see if there is any real long term savings to lithium.

I do know the short days and weak  winter sun along with snow mean  systems that rely on solar and wind power need a lot more storage capacity and draw down  survivability than  in areas where short days and snow are not a factor.-

Dirt is the big enemy of the synthetic lines because of the abrasion it can cause between the fibers  of the rope/ tape. I  don't know anyone using  synthetic lines but there's enough information on them  online for anyone who cares to research them  before deciding whether it is to their advantage to  go that route or not.  Randy , be glad you've never experienced the destruction a recoiling cable can  cause.  The line doesn't have to  fail to do it . The point it is attached to is more often the projectile, but the line itself can  sever a limb or worse if it catches a victim in recoil. There  are enough pictures of what can happen when  pulling a stuck vehicle by the hitch ball on the net for example .  There's a lot more to winching and vehicle recovery than  just hooking a line to something that looks solid and pulling.