2024 Presidential Election Discussion Thread

[J. Dye]

On 1/26/2024 at 6:59 PM, Mech said:

Yeah I agree Gw.. People are just people and all have their own concerns for sure, but it still seems strange that there aren't any better candidates putting their hand up or being put forward. I don't understand how that can happen.

Democracy should in theory ensure that the best man wins.. Surely there must be better candidates, so why aren't they being pushed forwards ? How can there not be some better man or woman in a country of that size ?

Come on Johniii and Quad, explain that to me..  If you guys can see what's wrong with the candidates, why can't anyone else see it, and why aren't you or some other dissatisfied patriot putting their hand up ? And I have to ask, are either of you guys paid up members of either of the parties, do you attend the rallies, do you campaign or nominate someone better ?

I'd like to hear. I've asked earlier how it comes to this, and you both have plenty of criticism of the candidates, but you don't explain how it is they are the candidates.

 

 

It’s simple.  It’s because people are willing vote for someone that they don’t feel should be President and the Parties know that. 70% of Americans do not want Biden or Trump, but come Election Day almost all of that 70% will vote for one or the other.  So, we are the problem. I won’t vote for someone I do not think is qualified to be President.  I’m not going to play their game of “the lesser of two evils” so I won’t be voting for either one of them.  If there is an independent, I’ll vote for them.  You think we would get the same BS candidates next time if that 70% didn’t show up at the polls? It’s time that the parties learn to provide  candidates that the majority of people are comfortable voting for.

[quadmaniac]

On 4/4/2024 at 9:36 AM, J. Dye said:

If there is an independent, I’ll vote for them.  

Just curious if you find RFK a better choice on the independent ticket. We do need better candidates, I agree.

[J. Dye]

6 hours ago, quadmaniac said:

Just curious if you find RFK a better choice on the independent ticket. We do need better candidates, I agree.

I will definitely consider voting for him….although I haven’t spent much time reading up on him.  I won’t vote for a radical, even if they are saying things just to cater to a particular group to secure their vote.  It’s either him or my vote will be not to vote.  Kind of wish they would go ahead and throw Trump in jail and get it over with so we can move on because I would definitely vote for Haley. And yes, I realize that most of the stuff being thrown at Trump is political….but his behavior after the last election and the classified docs thing is a non starter for me. The classified docs thing is criminal.  And yes, Biden is a criminal in that regard too, that just means they should be sharing a cell.  Doesn’t mean they cancel each other out.

[quadmaniac]

17 minutes ago, J. Dye said:

The classified docs thing is criminal.  And yes, Biden is a criminal in that regard too, that just means they should be sharing a cell.  Doesn’t mean they cancel each other out.

Good point, and funny. RFK is known for his vaccine stance mostly. I wonder if he’ll Ross Perot the election. At the end of the day, the policies are what matter to me and I would like to see the border and my cost of living more like it was under Trump. I’m for work hard to get ahead and limit the slow creep towards socialism. It’s happening unfortunately, we’re living it.

[motonerd]

52 minutes ago, quadmaniac said:

Good point, and funny. RFK is known for his vaccine stance mostly. I wonder if he’ll Ross Perot the election. At the end of the day, the policies are what matter to me and I would like to see the border and my cost of living more like it was under Trump. I’m for work hard to get ahead and limit the slow creep towards socialism. It’s happening unfortunately, we’re living it.

 

1 hour ago, J. Dye said:

I will definitely consider voting for him….although I haven’t spent much time reading up on him.  I won’t vote for a radical, even if they are saying things just to cater to a particular group to secure their vote.  It’s either him or my vote will be not to vote.  Kind of wish they would go ahead and throw Trump in jail and get it over with so we can move on because I would definitely vote for Haley. And yes, I realize that most of the stuff being thrown at Trump is political….but his behavior after the last election and the classified docs thing is a non starter for me. The classified docs thing is criminal.  And yes, Biden is a criminal in that regard too, that just means they should be sharing a cell.  Doesn’t mean they cancel each other out.

 

[motonerd]

1 hour ago, J. Dye said:

I will definitely consider voting for him….although I haven’t spent much time reading up on him.  I won’t vote for a radical, even if they are saying things just to cater to a particular group to secure their vote.  It’s either him or my vote will be not to vote.  Kind of wish they would go ahead and throw Trump in jail and get it over with so we can move on because I would definitely vote for Haley. And yes, I realize that most of the stuff being thrown at Trump is political….but his behavior after the last election and the classified docs thing is a non starter for me. The classified docs thing is criminal.  And yes, Biden is a criminal in that regard too, that just means they should be sharing a cell.  Doesn’t mean they cancel each other out.

They all have classified documents. Vote for the one least likely to destroy America. 

[J. Dye]

2 hours ago, quadmaniac said:

Good point, and funny. RFK is known for his vaccine stance mostly. I wonder if he’ll Ross Perot the election. At the end of the day, the policies are what matter to me and I would like to see the border and my cost of living more like it was under Trump. I’m for work hard to get ahead and limit the slow creep towards socialism. It’s happening unfortunately, we’re living it.

Yeah, I liked some of Trump’s policies.  But I’m not down for Trump’s self professed “revenge tour”.  The Republican House is a disaster right now, can’t imagine what it would be like if Trump was actually in charge.  He’s already acting like the Dark Overlord Lol…. I’m a staunch Republican, but it really is a clown show right now.  I’m not so sure Trump would improve the situation.

[davefrombc]

In my  Canadian  view on your  election,  if you don't vote you are effectively voting for the worst possible candidate. I  am  not a "them or us"  voter.  I vote for the person  who I think will  best represent  my community, with a secondary regard for the party they represent.   In your  2 party system  that entails voting for  the "wrong party"  at times.

As  I see it , I don't agree with some of the things Biden  has done,  but the  main complaint against him is his age. He still  has control of all  his faculties,  His running mate  appears to me to be capable of doing the job if she has to take over  part way through the term.  I  could fill a data bank listing  tRump's  faults and connections to  Russia, his admiration of  dictators and  his immorality and flouting of   commercial  law and the  tax system. He certainly doesn't represent "Christian  values" as I  know them, I  find it appalling the support he  has among the  Evangelists. Kennedy  is   a nut case even  his family doesn't support and warns against  him.

There is a huge difference between  inadvertently possessing some  "classified"  documents  from  your administration and voluntarily  handing them  over  and  possessing and  sharing with individuals  who  are not unauthorized to see them, and then hiding them to  retain them.  For what  purpose  is a big question you should ask?  From  statements his staff has made,  he quite possibly  still have some stashed away that were  moved  while  the search of  Mar-A-Lago was under way.

Not voting   may  be a  choice, but as I said,  it  is in effect a vote for the worst possible candidate.  This  is the time to  vote for the best  candidate(s) offered despite whether they belong to the "wrong party"  or not.

[N00bie]

Please give me a truck driver or anyone that is not a complete idiot to vote for !!!!

[davefrombc]

30 minutes ago, N00bie said:

Please give me a truck driver or anyone that is not a complete idiot to vote for !!!!

You may feel  you have  poor  choices  but by not voting   you are  in effect casting a vote for the one who is the worst choice.

[J. Dye]

10 hours ago, davefrombc said:

In my  Canadian  view on your  election,  if you don't vote you are effectively voting for the worst possible candidate. I  am  not a "them or us"  voter.  I vote for the person  who I think will  best represent  my community, with a secondary regard for the party they represent.   In your  2 party system  that entails voting for  the "wrong party"  at times.

As  I see it , I don't agree with some of the things Biden  has done,  but the  main complaint against him is his age. He still  has control of all  his faculties,  His running mate  appears to me to be capable of doing the job if she has to take over  part way through the term.  I  could fill a data bank listing  tRump's  faults and connections to  Russia, his admiration of  dictators and  his immorality and flouting of   commercial  law and the  tax system. He certainly doesn't represent "Christian  values" as I  know them, I  find it appalling the support he  has among the  Evangelists. Kennedy  is   a nut case even  his family doesn't support and warns against  him.

There is a huge difference between  inadvertently possessing some  "classified"  documents  from  your administration and voluntarily  handing them  over  and  possessing and  sharing with individuals  who  are not unauthorized to see them, and then hiding them to  retain them.  For what  purpose  is a big question you should ask?  From  statements his staff has made,  he quite possibly  still have some stashed away that were  moved  while  the search of  Mar-A-Lago was under way.

Not voting   may  be a  choice, but as I said,  it  is in effect a vote for the worst possible candidate.  This  is the time to  vote for the best  candidate(s) offered despite whether they belong to the "wrong party"  or not.

As cited in the Hur report, Biden read classified material to his Ghost Writer. Which means, he had them, he knew he had them and he didn’t turn them in at the time, which means that his possession wasn’t “inadvertent”.  Not to mention reading classified documents to someone who didn’t hold a clearance….all those things are felonies.  Given all of that, it’s not hard to imagine that those documents weren’t just “stumbled upon” and that they were actively looking for them when they were “found” because Biden knew he had them.  I handled classified materials for 30 years so I am very knowledgeable about its handling and can assure you that no one “inadvertently” walks away with TS SCI documents. I have several issues with Biden beyond the classified materials issue, and therefore won’t vote for him. I have just as many issues or more with Trump. Personally, I’m done voting for someone I don’t think should hold the office.  It’s a great county, and still will be after the next term is over. It really amazes me that people think that one man can “destroy our Democracy. Our system has checks and balances and they work.

Edited April 16 by J. Dye

[N00bie]

5 hours ago, davefrombc said:

You may feel  you have  poor  choices  but by not voting   you are  in effect casting a vote for the one who is the worst choice.

Never said I wasn't going to vote, even voted in the primary, just said I wish their there was someone with some brains to choose from rather than a couple of idiots