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2020 Presidential Election Discussion Thread


2020 Presidential Election Poll  

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  1. 1. Vote for your choice for the next President of the United States

    • Donald Trump (For Re-Election)
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    • Joe Biden
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Pfizer released news their vaccine is showing 90% efficacy in the study. It is still far from release. There are other vaccines also showing similar promise and neither tRump nor any other politician can take credit for those developments. There is still a long way to  go to release. Hopefully it will be sometime in 2021.

There has never been any proven amount of illegal  voting with mail in votes. It is used in several countries alongside in person voting without a problem. Even tRump insisted they keep counting mail in votes in ridings where he was behind , just as he insisted in stopping the count where he was ahead.

It will be interesting to see how tRump fares once he is out of office. There are several lawsuits pending and even some federal  charges possible over taxes and other activity. Remember the  "unindicted co-conspirator" in the 2016 election meddling ? He is that man.  As I said in the previous post . After January 20  you might just start seeing the real Donald tRump.

 

 

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If I were the crackhead son of a VP, yeah maybe.  Is he in jail?  Nope.  So what's dumb about it?  Hunter can get away with anything so why does he need to live in reality?  Laws only apply to regular

The DNC went to all the trouble of rigging the primary to get Biden in there to stop Bernie and Medicare For All in order to protect the rich.  They admitted in court that they rigged it in 2016 for H

I have no idea, I definitely want no part of that. Obama has been on the campaign trail this week saying Trump inherited the economy, what a joke. Obama was the most non-business friendly President in

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2 hours ago, quadmaniac said:

A covid vaccine comes out with 90% efficacy the week after the election. Fauci says back to normal Q2 or Q3 2021. Just keeps getting better and better... I'm very happy to hear this news but boy the timing is questionable and 90% is unbelievable according to Fauci. How lucky we are that they came out with something so soon, but Trump will of course will get no credit and democrat superhero Cuomo in NY isn't happy its coming out while Trump is still president...You can't make this stuff up.

The problem with mail in votes is that no-one is verifying them and they are easily duplicated.  We may see in the coming weeks the legal battles that come out, unless Trump concedes of course. Mail in voting should not have been allowed at the levels it was under the umbrella of COVID. The dems wanted this for a reason. There is also a reason why Russia, China, and Mexico leaders have not congratulated Biden yet.

Vaccine could be water and it would still cure the plandemic because the pcr test can be tuned to show it worked.

Mail-in votes shouldn't be legal because it's too easy to cheat.  People should be made to vote in person or supply a good reason for an absentee ballot as it has always been until the plandemic.  If you notice in states like OH, the mail-in vote was counted early and the election started with Biden in the lead then Trump caught up, but in MI which is just north of OH, the mail-in vote wasn't counted until the end so Trump started in the lead then enough votes were found for Biden.

30 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

Pfizer released news their vaccine is showing 90% efficacy in the study. It is still far from release. There are other vaccines also showing similar promise and neither tRump nor any other politician can take credit for those developments. There is still a long way to  go to release. Hopefully it will be sometime in 2021.

There has never been any proven amount of illegal  voting with mail in votes. It is used in several countries alongside in person voting without a problem. Even tRump insisted they keep counting mail in votes in ridings where he was behind , just as he insisted in stopping the count where he was ahead.

It will be interesting to see how tRump fares once he is out of office. There are several lawsuits pending and even some federal  charges possible over taxes and other activity. Remember the  "unindicted co-conspirator" in the 2016 election meddling ? He is that man.  As I said in the previous post . After January 20  you might just start seeing the real Donald tRump.

You probably ought to stock up on tissue because I believe Trump is going to win in the courts.  The evidence for fraud is so overwhelming that there is no way he can't.  Even the betting markets are pricing it in.

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6 hours ago, JacobSlabach said:

George Fitzhugh (pro slavery historian that lived before and during the civil war) had it right that "slavery is socialism at its finest"

He also portrays the liberals goals in government perfectly: "'It is the duty of society to protect the weak;' but protection cannot be efficient without the power of control; therefore, 'It is the duty of society to enslave the weak.'

what do they teach kids in public schools these days?  im sure i would have never even heard of this guy had i been in the public school system growing up

The only tine I heard of Fitzhugh was in this video:

Chomsky says Fitzhugh argued for slavery by saying masters owned their slaves as opposed to the capitalists who just rented them, so the slave owners would take better care of their own property than the capitalists who rented theirs.

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1 hour ago, JustRandy said:

Vaccine could be water and it would still cure the plandemic because the pcr test can be tuned to show it worked.

Mail-in votes shouldn't be legal because it's too easy to cheat.  People should be made to vote in person or supply a good reason for an absentee ballot as it has always been until the plandemic.  If you notice in states like OH, the mail-in vote was counted early and the election started with Biden in the lead then Trump caught up, but in MI which is just north of OH, the mail-in vote wasn't counted until the end so Trump started in the lead then enough votes were found for Biden.

You probably ought to stock up on tissue because I believe Trump is going to win in the courts.  The evidence for fraud is so overwhelming that there is no way he can't.  Even the betting markets are pricing it in.

I guess we'll see who is right and who is in fantasy land soon. I can guarantee I'm not the one who would be needing tissues if somehow tRump prevails. As I mentioned earlier  the mailed in ballots were more for Bide  than tRump simply because the Dems urged mail voting with the pandemic in mind and your orange god urged in person  voting to  his cult. In person counted first and mail in later and because of the volume it took days. Mail in voting in the US or here and other democracies at use it has never been shown to have any significant illegal voting and none of it affecting the outcome. I strongly doubt there will be any found beyond the normal errors found in any mail in campaign. All the illegal activity is only in the minds of the conspiracy theorists and their gullible followers.

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3 hours ago, davefrombc said:

the mailed in ballots were more for Bide  than tRump simply because the Dems urged mail voting with the pandemic in mind

How do you get 100,000 votes all for Biden from a county that voted 68% Biden 30% Trump?  Trump should at least get 1 vote.  YouGov poll of 1500 voters said 25% of conservatives were planning to vote by mail.  Page 29 https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/1qb5j6pdqd/econTabReport.pdf

Feel free to provide a convincing explanation.

 

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How do you get 100,000 votes all for Biden from a county that voted 68% Biden 30% Trump?  Trump should at least get 1 vote.  YouGov poll of 1500 voters said 25% of conservatives were planning to vote by mail.  Page 29 https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/1qb5j6pdqd/econTabReport.pdf

Isn't it interesting that only the Economist, a UK based paper group is making that claim.

Have fun with your conspiracy theories.

No mainstream media are making that claim and state courts are tossing out tRump's suits claiming voter fraud without ANY supporting evidence.

I have found nothing from legitimate Michigan sources making that claim  or even  from  mainstream Republicans.

 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, davefrombc said:

How do you get 100,000 votes all for Biden from a county that voted 68% Biden 30% Trump?  Trump should at least get 1 vote.  YouGov poll of 1500 voters said 25% of conservatives were planning to vote by mail.  Page 29 https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/1qb5j6pdqd/econTabReport.pdf

Isn't it interesting that only the Economist, a UK based paper group is making that claim.

Have fun with your conspiracy theories.

No mainstream media are making that claim and state courts are tossing out tRump's suits claiming voter fraud without ANY supporting evidence.

I have found nothing from legitimate Michigan sources making that claim  or even  from  mainstream Republicans.

What are you talking about?  The data is from 538.  Good grief you can't refute the claim so you pretend it doesn't exist.  YOU are in a cult.

 

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The pdf you included was an article from The Economist. In my searches looking for this so called 100,000 votes all for Biden , I only found articles that said there were 100,000 mail ins yet to count. I kinda think one of your conspiracy theorists twisted that to claim all were counted and for Biden rather than there were 100K left to be counted. Feel free to post an article from  mainstream to show one polling stationreported 100k votes and all for Biden.

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Does anyone know where all the rioters went? Businesses boarded up their stores in case Trump won I guess, because now that the media has decided Biden won, the boards aren’t needed anymore on those store fronts? Just goes to show who is rioting...food for thought.

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1 hour ago, davefrombc said:

The pdf you included was an article from The Economist. In my searches looking for this so called 100,000 votes all for Biden , I only found articles that said there were 100,000 mail ins yet to count. I kinda think one of your conspiracy theorists twisted that to claim all were counted and for Biden rather than there were 100K left to be counted. Feel free to post an article from  mainstream to show one polling stationreported 100k votes and all for Biden.

No, the link was from YouGov polling, not The Economist.  You are seeing things that do not exist.

Here is Detroit Free Press (ie Maintstream) attempting to refute the allegation, but all they did was change the time interval from continuous to hourly. 

You can see that Biden DID receive lots of votes from 5-6am and Trump did receive some votes too, but that doesn't mean that the votes were not in a big block 100% for Biden and then some Trump votes trickled in later in the hour as well.

Changing the time interval from continuous to hourly does not refute the claim.

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Those 2 charts are perfectly consistent.  The only difference is the time interval.

So the votes did happen and they were 100% for Biden and you need to give me an explanation why or provide evidence that the data from 538 is wrong.

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1 hour ago, quadmaniac said:

Does anyone know where all the rioters went? Businesses boarded up their stores in case Trump won I guess, because now that the media has decided Biden won, the boards aren’t needed anymore on those store fronts? Just goes to show who is rioting...food for thought.

Trump will probably win and then the businesses will be destroyed whether they have boards or not lol.

Either courts will toss out enough votes or the states will not certify results in time, so the election will be in the House where each state gets one vote so Trump wins.

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30 minutes ago, JustRandy said:

Trump will probably win and then the businesses will be destroyed whether they have boards or not lol.

Either courts will toss out enough votes or the states will not certify results in time, so the election will be in the House where each state gets one vote so Trump wins.

We can only hope.  Talk about a literal slap in the face to every breathing dimocrat.  To be forever known as cheaters - what a shameful "party."

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In this video at 33:14 the owner of a security firm hired to investigate the 2018 election shows how 560 votes were flipped from Bevin (R) to Beshear (D) live on CNN.

 

Then I find this video that shows 20,000 votes flipped from Trump to Biden.

 

 

Biden wasn't joking when he said he didn't need people's votes to get elected

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17 hours ago, davefrombc said:

The pdf you included was an article from The Economist. In my searches looking for this so called 100,000 votes all for Biden , I only found articles that said there were 100,000 mail ins yet to count. I kinda think one of your conspiracy theorists twisted that to claim all were counted and for Biden rather than there were 100K left to be counted. Feel free to post an article from  mainstream to show one polling stationreported 100k votes and all for Biden.

this makes perfect sense when the mainstream media is all one sided and attacks trump any chance they get.. if you were anti-trump and the election goes against him, why would you look for proof that the election was rigged the democtats using HAMMER like they did in 2012 (if you dont know what that is look it up)

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On 11/9/2020 at 1:20 PM, davefrombc said:

Biden's numbers are going u because they are counting the earl and mail in votes.There are a lot more mail in votes for Biden simpl because Biden and the Dems encouraged earl and mail in voting which was wise  ,especially with the COVID pandemic. It limited the contact and exposure of the voters. tRump discouraged mail in and early voting and pushed in person voting on election day. Those votes got counted first so were naturally heavy in favour of him. The record levels of early and mail in votes favour Biden because most of those voters took the sensible advice to  vote early and by mail and reduce the chances of exposure to or passing of the COVID virus. .It's really not rocket science and  there was no  fraud about it.

I see this post didn't go , so I can update it now. Jacob, you don't know how close the US came to fascism and disaster under tRump. I suggest you get away from the crap of the extreme right and join the real world. The military industrial complex has done  of brainwashing too many Americans.  Hopefully after January 20 you'll begin to learn  just who and what Donald Trump really is. It would do well for you to  learn the difference between social programs in a democracy and socialism/ communism.

how did this country almost fall into fascism? and if you say it was headed that way, what would you say saved it?  the  democratic-supported terrorist orginazation called BLM's roiters and looters, or the mainstream media blowing up a noval flu bug and shutting down the nation?  (i would say antifa instead of BLM cause antifa is only using BLM as a mask to comit crimes under pretense of bring equality, however Hidin Biden says antifa doesnt exist so i cant mention them can i..)

also i dont know what you mean about the military brainwashing folks.. no one from the military has ever told me anything about how to live or what to think.

...but at the same time listening to the things my friends tell me about the public school system, that sounds much more like fascism to me....and guess who created the public school idea originally?

and i wont even mention the media.. all you have to do is serve the web and its all one sided and its hard to find just news anymore..its all liberals' speculation hogwash

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I'll leave it to you tRump lovers to figure that out for yourselves. I'll give you a hint from history.  Study Hitlers rise to power in te 1930's and notice the parallels to  tRump's four years.

Nothing I can point out to you from Canada will do anything to swing you away from the garbage the far right and extreme right has been feeding you; and it's obvious you don't follow mainstream  news feeds.

 

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2 hours ago, davefrombc said:

I'll leave it to you tRump lovers to figure that out for yourselves. I'll give you a hint from history.  Study Hitlers rise to power in te 1930's and notice the parallels to  tRump's four years.

Nothing I can point out to you from Canada will do anything to swing you away from the garbage the far right and extreme right has been feeding you; and it's obvious you don't follow mainstream  news feeds.

 

You say Jimmy Dore is nothing but lies.  I say show me one lie.  You say nothing.

I point out large blocks of 100% Biden votes and ask for a rational explanation.  You challenge the validity of the data.  I confirm data is genuine, so you stick your head in the sand.

I don't know what you hope to accomplish with your drive-by claims.

Trump is too much of a clown to be Hitler, but continuing with the same policies that gave us Trump is going to give us a worse Trump:

"Ocasio-Cortez suggests a Bloomberg presidency would pave the way for 'a worse Trump'"  "Obviously, we have to beat Trump, but if we beat Trump and go back to the same policies that we had before, a worse Trump is going to come. A Trump that’s more sophisticated, whose fascism is less obvious, is going to come, and things could get even worse," Ocasio-Cortez

"I want to add that it's not a solution because a continuation of the kinds of policies the Democratic Party has (after Clinton sold out to corporate power) has imposed on the American people is inevitably, and I think history bears this out, going to result in a fascist with brains: a competent fascist."  Chris Hedges

It's better to keep the Trump we have than to trade-up for a worse one.  But you can only seem to focus on the most immediate gratification of removing Trump and who cares about the future.

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hahahaha fax that trumps to much of a clown to be hitler lol and you say that trumps 'rise to power' is much the same as hitler... i say so what the way someone comes to'power' doesnt describe how they will use that power.  also trump never had 'power' over anyone.. the media still held the same power they have today over the general public as they obviously do over you.  the fact that trump is taking power from the media in the last 4 years and gives it back to the american people is what pisses them off most.  if anything hitler was more like Obama in how he spoke and such

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Have fun in your fantasy land fellas.  The world is wrong. Only the extreme right has all the answers. tRump is not a narcissist that only cares about himself. His administration is not full of incompetent toadies and none of them from tRump down have never done anything illegal or unethical. The COVID deaths in the US have not been compounded by tRump's incompetence and denials from the start.

  Someday reality is going to hit home and it's going to  hurt.

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