1997 Kawasaki Bayou 300 2x4 (klf300b) Runs Bad

[JacobSlabach]

Hey I have a 97 bayou 300 2x4 (klf300b) that i bought for 1000 last June and sunk another 1000 into it already.  When i went to look at it, the seller had warmed it up before hand (he was riding it when I got there).  it ran good so i bought it and took it home that evening... next morning it wouldn't hardly start.  I discovered the carb was clogged, there was chunks of rust in the fuel valve, the choke lever was missing and other things.  I have since cleaned the carb and replaced the fuel valve and gas lines and cleaned out the gas tank and cap.  

Enough background on it, the problem is this:  It floods if i push it past half throttle in 4th and 5th gear even going downhill and shifting correctly.  It also has to idle and warm up when you first start it which is really annoying now that its cold...  It also smokes blue smoke for about 15 seconds when started cold-  does not smoke at all once warm but the exhaust still smells like burnt metal.  A friend told me that it didn't have enough compression.  I also found out that the valves are a common cause for low compression on Kawasakis..  I have never adjusted valves before-  the most I've ever got into a engine was a head gasket on a riding mower so I'm new to this.  My goal is to get this bike running and starting cold like a top-  should i tear down and rebuild the top end?  What should i try first?  I tore the carb apart and rebuilt it and fiddled with the air screw and nothing changed.  I also ordered a compression test kit that should be coming in soon.

Ive also considered just selling it for like $500 and taking the hit-  Id rather not sink too much more into this machine..  lol

[06kfx440]

Well. Blue smoke is burning oil. Could be bad seals. Flooding is a float issue adjust to spec.

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[Frank Angerano]

Welcome to Quadcrazy! Nice looking bike.  I’m not sure how mechanically inclined you are but if so then I would keep the bike!   My guess is since you see blue smoke it’s most likely bad valve seals if the smoke goes away after it’s been running.  It’s a valve seal kit you can buy and install. If your not familiar then we can help as well as you tube.  If the blue smoke is constant then maybe a piston and rings may be in order.  

As far as the carb goes and if someone had tinkered with it before then my guess is the needle on the carburetor is set wrong. This can be adjusted very easily by following the throttle cable down to the carburetor and unscrewing the slide from the carburetor and making the adjustment on the needle.  

Its a clip on the main needle in the carburetor  Go to YouTube and you will see how this is done.  As well as Quadcrazy helping you along.  Looks like a good bike  but don’t feel obligated as I have a live for old bikes  especially since yours is in such good shape  

 

 

 

[JacobSlabach]

1 hour ago, 06kfx440 said:

Well. Blue smoke is burning oil. Could be bad seals. Flooding is a float issue adjust to spec.

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I have cleaned and inspected the carb thoroughly three times now-  the float is not sticking or anything, and its not adjustable to my knowledge.. correct me if im wrong tho.

[Frank Angerano]

You are not wrong just not aware. I have attached a pic for you to see.  This is an adjustment to the needle hight inside the carb.  To high the carb will result in too much fuel being delivered.  So take a look and see. Maybe a long shot but def worth looking into. Put the clip at the second to last high spot on the needle and try that. Most common spot is in the middle or second to top. Also Manley sure all the meats are clean.  After that I would go with a fresh plug and check the spark. Just to be sure it’s a good clean spark. 

https://youtu.be/7lnURLsBIHg

Sorry make sure all jeys are clean . ***

Jets* dam spell check! 

[JacobSlabach]

11 hours ago, Frank Angerano said:

Welcome to Quadcrazy! Nice looking bike.  I’m not sure how mechanically inclined you are but if so then I would keep the bike!   My guess is since you see blue smoke it’s most likely bad valve seals if the smoke goes away after it’s been running.  It’s a valve seal kit you can buy and install. If your not familiar then we can help as well as you tube.  If the blue smoke is constant then maybe a piston and rings may be in order.  

As far as the carb goes and if someone had tinkered with it before then my guess is the needle on the carburetor is set wrong. This can be adjusted very easily by following the throttle cable down to the carburetor and unscrewing the slide from the carburetor and making the adjustment on the needle.  

Its a clip on the main needle in the carburetor  Go to YouTube and you will see how this is done.  As well as Quadcrazy helping you along.  Looks like a good bike  but don’t feel obligated as I have a live for old bikes  especially since yours is in such good shape  

 

 

 

Can you send a link to amizon or ebay for the valve kit?  I'd rather not get the wrong parts..  

9 hours ago, Frank Angerano said:

You are not wrong just not aware. I have attached a pic for you to see.  This is an adjustment to the needle hight inside the carb.  To high the carb will result in too much fuel being delivered.  So take a look and see. Maybe a long shot but def worth looking into. Put the clip at the second to last high spot on the needle and try that. Most common spot is in the middle or second to top. Also Manley sure all the meats are clean.  After that I would go with a fresh plug and check the spark. Just to be sure it’s a good clean spark. 

https://youtu.be/7lnURLsBIHg

Sorry make sure all jeys are clean . ***

Jets* dam spell check! 

All the jets are clean- I removed everything I could and cleaned everything with carb cleaner.  I will get another sp soon to make sure that works.

[Frank Angerano]

Athena (P400250600300) Top End Gasket Kit https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PLS6ZXW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_77R6BbVRTF3VG

 

Carb cleaner is great but sometime you have to run a small wire through the jets to be sure they are clear.   I also like to blow air through the jets to be sure they are clear.  

I like to use  a piece of wire from a bicycle brake cable, one strand of that.  There are also small brush kits for cleaning carburetors on amazon as well.   

 

[Ajmboy]

* Topic moved to Kawasaki ATV forum and added ATV info and issue to topic title. 😀

[JacobSlabach]

Thanks, that's a lot better price than the rebuild kit I looking at for $140.  Thanks.

So, I will check the compression, replace the sp, and get this kit for the valves.  I will attach a picture of my carb-  It doesn't look like the one the YouTube vid..maybe the former owner put in the wrong carb?  I dunno..

[Frank Angerano]

It’s very possible it’s a cheap aftermarket carb.  Is there a name on the carb ? A pic would be great.   

Also keep in mind that you will need a valve spring removal tool to take out the seals.  

Its cheap enough but not a tool we all use that often thank god ! 

[06kfx440]

+2 on that. [emoji115]

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[JacobSlabach]

I will try and get a picture of the carb today.  

[JacobSlabach]

The last pic is an identical carb on ebay.

lol sorry it isnt big-  Heres the link:  https://www.ebay.com/i/263943917635?chn=ps

[Frank Angerano]

It’s posable that it’s an aftermarket but I can’t be 100%. But by the looks I would say yes. Hears my issue with the aftermarket if it is one.  I’ve purchased one before and put it on my Polaris 90. Bike fired right up and ran good for the first 3/4 throttle. After that it was a hot mess.  So I picked up a used factory carb and rebuilt it and put it in the bike.  It ran great.  I took the cheaper one apart to see what was going on and found nothing!!!!  I put it back on the bike to see how it performed and the same thing.  Go figure.  Not quite sure what’s what but it was def someplace in that carb causing a problem. Maybe the casting when made but not sure.  I am a big fan of oem replacements. Just the way it is. I would try to locate a used factory carb, rebuild  and put that on so you can put that end to rest.  As far as valve seals....  that should stop the burn off you are getting once replaced. 

[JacobSlabach]

I will try to find a used stock carb.  Also my compression test kit hasn't come in yet but when it does, I'll give you guys an update of what the compression's running.

[JacobSlabach]

Loop the carb and all the used/new carbs look exactly like my current carb.  And all of them are at least $75.  Should I just eat this or what?  There doesnt look to be ANY difference between the oem carb, the stock used carbs, and my carb.😰

If Im gonna have to pay that much for a carb, I'm probably gonna try that valve seal kit first:     https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PLS6ZXW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_77R6BbVRTF3VG

[Frank Angerano]

That’s the thing with the cheap aftermarket carbs. They look identical and appear to be spot on. I’m not saying not to go ahead and try it but I’ve just had no luck with them.  I like using the oem carbs.   

Def curious of the compression reading when you take it. 

Keep us posted.  

[06kfx440]

I've used the knock off brands that looked oem and they were junk. For the extra money for oem. You can't go wrong.

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[JacobSlabach]

ok.  And heres the parts diagram for the carb from kawasaki.com.  https://www.kawasaki.com/Parts/PartsDiagram/18411/1997/KLF300-B10  I still dont see the what the youtube vid was talking about...?

[Frank Angerano]

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F312295575430

here is an oem carb for your bike on eBay. &89 bucks.  

I agree 100% with @06kfx440  on the cheap aftermarket carbs.   👎

That’s a great diagram btw.  Typical vacuum actuated carb. Great for rebuilding help. 

[JacobSlabach]

ok i ordered it, a valve seal kit, and a sp.  

[Frank Angerano]

Awesome I bet you can’t wait to get started on the seals! If you look at one of my older posts I tore down my bayou 400 and did the valve seals.  They were probably fine but since the head was off i figured might as well do them.  Plus the seals came with the gasket kit anyway. I should have bought the valve compressor tool but wound up making one.

Super important is the timing! Make sure your at TDC and the “T” mark on the fly wheel and the timing marks are where they belong on the top end  pryor to removal and dont rotate the crank during this process If possible. You can always put it back if it happens but I like to leave it right where I took it off.  Also take a few pics during just in case you need to take a look back.

Valve cover bolts are all different  lengths so number them with a sharpie and tape. 

When reassembling use plenty of lube/grease on the lobes and moving parts to avoid friction during the  initial restart. 

After reasembly just spin the motor a few times without the spark plug just to make sure everything is smooth and oil pumps up to the head.  👊🏻

 

 

 

[JacobSlabach]

thanks for all ya'll's yelp!  Lol I'm actually taking it to a friend's house Saturday and he has a swamp so we i'm probably gonna end up mudding it...  I guess if I sink it.......... OH WELL😎

[orangeRcode]

I flirted with the idea of buying a cheap aftermarket chinese carb.  In the end I just bought a carb kit.  Let the carb sit in the cleaner bucket for a couple of days, cleaned it up and installed the kit.  Runs great now except for the electrical gremlin I need to chase down.  

[JacobSlabach]

I was advised not to get into the valves by a friend that used to work on small engines.  I ordered to seal kit already so what should I do?  Should I get into this having no experience?  I want to learn how to work on engines but I'd rather not screw up my bayou.  The friend advised me to sell it as is and take to hit..  I'm thinking 'well I have already bought the seal kit soo'

[06kfx440]

It's really not that hard. We will walk you thru. Take pics and watch YouTube.

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[JacobSlabach]

ok thanks!  I am still waiting on the compression test kit- got the carb in but I wont have time to work on it till next week because of thxgiving.

[Frank Angerano]

You were about to swamp the thing last week! 

This would be a great bike to learn on.  It’s not that deep. Are you mechanically inclines at all ? 

I think you can do it! 

[JacobSlabach]

I did get stuck (2wd)😕 and I had to get pulled out with a truck lol.  I can figure stuff out but I dont have much to any experience with engines.

[JacobSlabach]

also, I fouled my sp on it at my friends house.  It started as usual when I put it on the trailer but when I pushed the starter button to unload it, it turned over fine but it didn't fire.  The sp was maybe 2 or 3 months old.  Happens my friend rides a Honda Recon and got a new sp in the mail that day so i tried his old one in my bayou and it fired up but still ran as usual.

compression tester came in this evening:  it holds at 60psi (4bar).  Anyone know where its supposed to be at?  its a 97 bayou 300  (klf300b)