JustRandy

I think people who post on forums and leave comments on youtube are mostly Trump supporters. I think that's all this poll can illustrate. There are more registered democrats, so Hillary has that. There are 50% women, so she has that too. And she has control of the media and support of wall street. If Trump wins, it will be the biggest upset since Reagan when he was trailing Carter by 6% just two weeks before the election and then won by 10%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_polling_for_U.S._Presidential_elections#United_States_presidential_election.2C_1980 It would be another Brexit, which is a vote for nationalism rather than globalism (do you see why wall street wants Clinton?)

I guess it didn't work.

I would get a different quad rather than add a battery. The selling-point of the 86 230 is the light weight. I would first swap spark plugs just to be sure it's not something simple. Then, I would replace the power coil inside the magneto (opposite the lighting coil) as it almost certainly hasn't survived 30 years without enamel deterioration. A sure sign of power coil deterioration is hard-starting when hot.

I had a problem like that. Sometimes it would spark and sometimes not. Turned out to be a broken wire on the coil inside the stator. Any loose wire not held down will vibrate until it breaks. You'll have spark when it touches and no spark when it doesn't. This sounds like your problem.

Forgot the link for the ORV trail map http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5098004.pdf

I know where cedartown is and I'm about 30 miles north of fairmount. Kinda sounds like you'te talking about Rock Creek. Its close to fairmount. Its a nice place. I don't go there much because its a slightly longer drive and not much different than windy gap. This is it here: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_wmvmLbGYQ]Rock Creek ATV Park.wmv - YouTube[/ame] Here are the places you can go: Georgia Off Road >> Motocross Track Map & Directions to ORV Trails If you're going to make a long distance drive to some place, Houston Valley is the nicest and biggest. Pronounced Howston for some reason. They have the smoothest trails and probably more than you could ride in a day. Unfortunately they charge you $5 per person (used to be $5 a car load). The place is always crowded too. A woman died there last April. Went up a hill and flipped over backwards. Safety officials concerned with ATV trail where Chatttooga County woman killed | timesfreepress.com Oh and ktm makes race ready atvs you can drool over lol KTM Sport ATV

I was mostly worried about the bears. Not sure what I would have done had I seen a bear fattening up for the winter. Since I had just seen a bear earlier that ran from me out of surprise (I mean this thing LEAPED right off the mtn like superman taking flight), my logic told me to charge the bear like a crazed lunatic and hope it fled without thinking. I didn't want to give it time to think "Hey, wait, he's half my size...". In my tired state from walking, I couldn't have fought much even if I was half a match for a bear. But I got lucky... I didn't see anything or anybody the whole time I walked. Surviving the ordeal was good for my head though.... there's something about overcoming obstacles that pumps the ego. Spend 2 nights on the mtns in the middle of nowhere by yourself, break down, then rescue yourself... you won't be scared of the dark anymore LOL

Its part of the conasauga forest in north GA. Chattahoochee-Oconee National Forest - Windy Gap, Milma Creek, and Tibbs OHV Trails The video isn't mine... I just found it on youtube. There are a bunch of them from motorcyclists and bicyclists. GA is pretty ATV friendly. There are only 2 laws here concerning ATVS.... have brakes and a muffler. In contrast, look at the laws for MN. You'd need a couple days to rifle thru all that crap. But GA (Or maybe the feds idk) maintains the trails with a bulldozer just for us to ride. Can't beat it!

Videos and pics are nothing like the real thing. I can take a pic of an imposing boulder in my path and have it look like a little pebble lol. There are spots on that trail that get pretty hairy... like trying to turn on an off-camber 180 degree switch back.. one wrong move and you fall off the mtn. The video doesn't show that and its much easier to ride on a bike. I was reading here ODYSSEY Batteries and from what I can tell, it sounds like an awesome battery. I didn't know they existed. The only thing that worries me is the thin plates would build up sulfate and short quicker.... which seems to contradict everything they said on that page about lasting longer, etc. I'm not a battery expert though. I found this tooling around online Which Battery? "Starting Battery is Simplest Type The simplest, and least expensive battery is the starting battery. It is constructed with many very thin plates. The combined surface area of the many plates allows high currents to flow through the battery ...great for the purpose of starting engines. The starting battery can't be deeply discharged without a significant risk of destruction. A recent study showed that no starter battery survived more than 18 deep discharge cycles ...most survived no more than 3 deep discharges. Deep Cycling Requires Thicker Plates To enable deep discharges, the plates must be made thicker and the insulating separators made from more expensive materials than the paper used in starting batteries. Thicker, but fewer plates means that the battery won't sustain as high a rate of current, but will permit deeper discharges without imminent failure. Golf cart batteries and heavy duty 8D units are thus designed with the purpose of supplying moderate currents for sustained periods. They aren't a true deep cycle battery, however, and should be charged soon after any extensive discharge. By making the plates thicker yet, and using expensive fiberglass matte separators, a battery can be made which provides a great many deep cycles ...400 or more 100% discharges. This kind of unit is called a traction battery and will cost several times as much as golf cart batteries in the same capacity range. Batteries made by Surrette and Rolls use very thick plates and offer great longevity when low rate discharges are followed by long slow charges. " Way back when I was into car audio (and before class D amps were around), I was talking to a guy at a battery supply place for a couple hours. This guy really schooled me. He said the best thing is 2 bigass 6-volt golf cart batteries wired in series for 12volts. In the battery world, you just can't get around size for reliablilty. Obviously this wouldn't work on an ATV, but on my 4x4 king quad I found enough room to install a lawnmower battery. I don't know why mower batteries have to be so big, but anyway, it was a perfect fit and should hold a lot of charge. On the quad in the pic, I just bought the cheapest ebay battery I could find. $30 shipped. It comes with a bottle of acid. Its 9 amp-hours. What is an Amp Hour and How to Calculate Battery Capacity | OverlandResource.com – Overland expedition travel info. 9ah is pretty much nothing when talking about winches, but its the biggest thing that fits in the hole. Its bigger than the battery that came out though. What else can I do?

I know about getting stranded in the middle of nowhere. There is a trail on the mtn here called the "expert trail" (that's what it says on the USFS sign). I've been trying to get to the end of that trail for 6yrs. The only way on a quad is to have a winch. Well one day I'm up there camping and didn't have much else to do, so I figured I'd try it again. Why not? The quad I'm on has never had a single issue since it was new in 2005... and my winch is new. Ha! The damn battery died! At just about the highest point on the whole mtn... 3400 ft. My camp site was around 1500ft and miles away. This battery had been waiting patiently for 7yrs to leave me stranded at the worst possible spot on earth. And it didn't gradually wear down and get weaker. It just died. I hate AGM batteries. Don't get me started lol. Anyway I had to walk 1hr 20mins all down hill back to camp on the 1st day of hunting season and not 1 hour after I had seen a large bear get spooked by my quad and leap for its life as I came around a curve. Then lug a new battery 2 hrs back up the next morning. Luckily I brought another battery with me (to listen to the radio and charge my phone) and a flask filled with my favorite single malt scotch! Anyway, its not the winches that scared me. Its the batteries. The things are so fickle. There is a charging procedure for every type of battery and a whole list of do's and don'ts Batteryminders Specials | BatteryMinders.com That's another reason I like winches that don't use many amps and reel the line in fast. When AGM batteries die, they just die. They don't give a warning like good ole lead acid batteries. And 99% of quads have AGM batteries. Here's the trail: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7EcMbxJ8E8]Windy Gap expert trail - YouTube[/ame] If you think watching it is long and boring, you should try walking it LOL

Thanks! I've soaked up a lot from the internet and just trying to give back.

I've been buying clutch kits on ebay sporadically for 5yrs. I've never had any issues. I just buy the cheapest at the time I need it. Be careful to use the right oil in the engine to avoid clutch slipping.

I think all winches have a duty cycle and none can be run continuously except for the hydraulic winches. The one I'm running on the camping trailer runs for 5 min continuously and never takes the battery voltage below 12. If there is another winch that can pull 600lbs up a 45 degree incline 170ft in 5 continuous minutes and not kill the battery and not cost over $150, then I'll buy it lol. But I'm pretty sure there isn't. All other winches I tested could only do it in 7-10 min, if they could do it at all. A 12,000lb winch killed the battery at 7 min and couldn't finish the pull. And it got so hot the oil inside the cable sizzled on the drum. Yup, warn sells a lot of winches and there are a lot of people to say they've never let them down. Here's a guy who doesn't seem to like them Opinion on Superwinch - ATVConnection.com ATV Enthusiast Community The only thing I've owned by warn are the locking hubs and they never let me down, but my off-brand hubs never did either. I've beat my superwinches until the plastics and solenoids are falling off, then strap and tape everything back together and beat it some more. They work like new, but look like they've been dragged behind my truck for a while lol. Those little 2000 and 1500 lb generic winches... I have a few of those and on one the knob to release the clutch broke off and the drum wobbles, but it still works. Seems like those little boogers you just can't destroy. And if you do, you can get a new one for $50-$100. Black friday should produce a lot of them for $50. I just looked at the spec for the warn xt15... that is a neat little winch. I'd like to have one Comparing the 2000lb generic to the xt15 153:1 vs 103:1 12 lbs vs 8.6 lbs 50' steelrope vs 40' synthetic. yikes! 50ft wasn't enough the last few times I needed it. 13.3 fpm vs 15 fpm zero load line speed 6.2 fpm vs 5 fpm at 1500lbs 10 amps vs 6 amps zero load 80 amps vs 65 amps at 1500 lbs $50-$100 vs $250. wow... I bought a 12,000lb winch for $270 shipped. They are neat and I would like to have one, but I don't know about the price... And I'd have to buy longer line too.

Yeah, Ramsey does have some chinese parts (they don't like to admit it), but its as close to made in the USA as you can get. I think they comply with the labeling standards of "assembled in the US" or something like that. But I'm not saying made in the US is a good thing. Made in Japan would be a good thing LOL. The Japanese treat work like a religion. But, its just that I happen to like the specs on all the Ramsey winches. You won't find many winches with a 136:1 ratio and Ramsey seems to like that ratio. Briggs and Stratton used to be a good engine... back in the 70s and earlier or so. Now days its a clump of garbage. Period. Less than garbage actually. I bought a 10hp briggs a few years ago and in less than 1 year's time the rockers rattled off by themselves, the airbox wasn't even close to fitting correctly (letting plenty of dirt in), the bore was out of round, and when I went to download a service manual I had to call briggs only to find the stupid lazy line workers didn't even care to stamp the model number on fully! My friend's riding mower has a briggs... it made it a few years before starting to smoke. The point is just because something was made well a long time ago doesn't mean they still are. Actually, I'm suspect of companies with respected names. They're probably surviving JUST on their name. I kinda like the up-n-comers who are building a name, rather than relying on it. In the 70s warn winch was fairly new Warn Industries - Corporate: WARN History Yes, 8lbs would be nice. I have a generic 2000lb model with steel rope on the front of a 350lb sport quad and at 12lbs, I can definitely tell its there. The winch has plenty of power to pull the quad, but goodness its SLOW. Sometimes I don't even reel the cable in all the way... I just wrap it around the bumper until I need it again lol. It just takes too long. 153:1 shouldn't be that slow, but the drum has a small diameter too. I guess that makes the difference. This summer I made a camping trailer that winches itself down and then back up a 170ft 45 degree "cliff" to a spot by a mountain stream where I like to camp. The trailer is 600lbs loaded and must get in and out on one battery charge AND do it fast enough so not to draw attention from onlookers. So I spent a long time pouring over specs and excel spreadsheets, then testing various winches to find one that would do the job well enough. That led to me stumbling on what Ramsey figured out years ago.... high gear ratios are better. Its better to have a bigger motor with taller gears than it is to have a small motor with lower gears. Its more efficient anyway. And its nice to have the fast line speed. Warn does have one winch that's time tested and has the fast line speed. Its a favorite among jeep owners and rock crawlers. The M8274-50. Its 134:1. I can't figure out why warn didn't make more like that in other sizes. Here's a warn planetary. Stamped and spot-welded. http://www.wanderingtrail.com/Repairs_Rebuilds/warn_winch/images/DSC04370.jpg

Warn makes perfectly usable product, but they aren't god. Everyone just assumes they are the best because its the biggest name. I have some no-name chinese winches that have been abused horribly and have survived for years. Once you start seeing the insides of a few different brands of winches you begin to see that they're really all about the same. Massive Multi-Winch Shootout - Four Wheeler Magazine "Submersion Test Warn Contaminated water with bronze-colored substance Speed and Efficiency Test The Superwinch made the most work happen on a given amount of electrical energy supplied. The Warn model was faster than the rest but demanded more electrical energy than our test arrangement could supply, so it depleted the battery and ceased forward momentum halfway up the hill. Stall Test Warn Broke internal parts, would not work after test" What gets me is if you paid thru the nose to buy what you believe to be the top of the line winch, it should not produce enough power to destroy itself. Or, it should be beefy enough to handle the power it produces. Yet warn still wins the shootout because it has a nice remote and nice manual LOL. "Well my winch blew up, but at least I have a nice remote and manual." LOL I'm not bashing warn. I'm just saying they're no different than anyone else. Every winch should be considered equally.

Generally speaking there is nothing special about warn. Just a fancy name. Most are produced in China like all the rest... except Ramsey. Warn uses small motors with low gear ratios and draw lots of amps. Not anything to be bragged about. Ramsey winches make more sense. Tall gears, larger motors, and lower amp draw.... which leads to faster line speeds, less heat, and longer battery life. The lower the gear ratio, the more amps you're using just to churn grease inside the 3 planetary gears... and that's a lot of gears! The taller you can get that ratio, the more efficient the winch will be. Its as simple as that. So in this case I would pick the superwinch terra 2500 over the warn provantage 2500. It has a 140:1 ratio compared to warn's 154:1. It has a 1.3hp motor compared to warn's .9hp motor. Its line speed at zero load is 25 fpm compared to warn's 18.7 fpm. At full load its line speed is 9.5 fpm compared to warn's 5.4 fpm. Oh but the warn costs twice as much so it must be better LOL

Regular oil has viscosity modifiers which break down sooner compared to synthetic oil which is the correct viscosity to begin with. For instance 10w40 oil is really 10w oil with additives to make it act like 40 oil. Over time, the additives break down leaving you with something closer to straight 10w. On the other hand synthetic oil is 10w40 to begin with and no additives are needed. And they say it lasts longer than the additives would. Personally I use cheap oil and change it often rather than expensive oil I don't have to change for a long time. The idea is to keep the oil clean and the only way to do that is to change it. Of course changing synthetic oil often would be better, but much more expensive. The slickness of oil is irrelevant. The viscosity is important. The oil must keep the bearings suspended or you'll have metal to metal contact. Cam bearings come to mind. If the oil is too thin, it won't hold the cam off the bearing. If the oil is too thick, the oil pump can't pump it up to the cam fast enough. So it doesn't matter how slick it is, its being the correct viscosity that matters. Being too slick will only mess up your wet-clutch and make it slip more.

You still need the key to start it. And the kill switch works. Everything works the way its supposed to except you don't have to find neutral to restart it if it dies. This is the 1st mod I do to any quad I get. The honda 250ex was a real pain and this mod was a necessity. Honda went though significant effort to stop the engine from being started except in neutral. So even if you were cruising along in 5th gear at 50mph and turned the key off and back on real fast, the engine would not run again until you come to a complete stop, find neutral, and use the starter. If the battery died, you're out of luck. It cannot be push started and there are no backup pull cords or kickers. I have no idea why honda spent so much money to accomplish this. Honda was cool in the 80s, but the way they have been trending since has left me feeling like the H-word is a black mark to be avoided.

There are caps on the valve cover with big nuts on them. Like a 21 or 22mm socket. I can't quite understand how one can be savy enough to assemble the engine, but not know about the valve adjustment access holes. The big round holes: If you put the head on I hope you didn't use too much RTV on the valve cover or it will squeeze into the cam bearing quite easily. It will burn up the cam bearing and make the head junk.

I put a 26mm roundslide from a 230 quadsport on and gravity feed tank and it runs like a champ. I spent the day seeing what all this machine will pull lol. I guess I need to find a 28mm carb somewhere. That's probably about right for this engine. This is just another reason why I hate CV carbs. Too many things to go wrong with them.

No disrespect but you'll find I'm kinda opinionated I'm really friendly though lol. But I hate the 700 king quad... almost with a passion! My buddy has had one since 2008 and first of all the caster problem almost killed me. I can't steer the hulkin beast once I try stopping! Its like a shopping cart with the wheels pointed the wrong way. The steering locks full left or full right and I can't pull it back without going fully the other way. Its dangerous! I'm surprised suzuki doesn't have a lawsuit over it. I've been beggin him to do the caster mod (well known mod) for 4 yrs but he don't want to cut into it because its "new". Caster adjustment Mod! Thanks DemiJohn And then, its too freaking big! In all directions! We ride together a lot and I ride my little 2 wheel drive 250ex. I'm ALWAYS having to wait on him or run the winch cable for him. He's either pinned between trees or can't climb or descend hills that I can tackle easily on my 250ex. Its laughable. Sometimes I have to get off and ride it for him, but I see his point. The king has such a high center of gravity and its so huge that it is scary. Body english doesn't mean much on that beast. He flipped it over backwards 4 yrs ago and sheared his thumb off. Cost $20,000 to put it back on. Ok if it isn't a hill or live trees he can't get around, its the ones that have fallen over. I can't drive over them, but I can man-handle the little quad enough to get over. The 700? Gotta stretch the winch cable out and take forever. But hey he should get better traction in snow and mud right? I haven't seen it. A couple winters ago we went riding with another buddy on his MudPro. As long as the snow wasnt over 6 inches, I actually did better than either one of them did. Once the snow got a foot deep I was screwed. But I guess 4x4 must have some redeeming features lol. A couple months ago we went camping and he pulled a 500lb trailer thru the mtns. I figured the king should be able to handle that no problem. Which it did going in, but coming out he got stuck on a red clay hill. Now the problem with CVT is evident. Once the tires started to spin, they took off full speed! He couldn't crawl. It was either full blast or nothing. CVT is nice for tooling around, but not good for manuevering technically or the best for traction. And there is a delay waiting for everything to kick in. And I can't go without mentioning he's sent his clutch off for work 2 or 3 times. And the belt slips. Its a pretty looking machine and it goes fast and oddles of power, but I wouldn't want one. In the real world trying to get from A to B its almost useless unless there is a nice road cut thru the woods. I guess it is nice to put your feet up on the racks and not worry about shifting. Its nice not to have to worry about a carb. But for me those things aren't nice enough to overcome all the problems it has. I haven't had the 300 king for long, but I like that its narrow (42 inches), really low center of gravity, has gears with a super low range. Its like a tank or bulldozer. I'm not kiddin! And it won't take off uncontrollably like CVT will. The fastest it will go in super low is 5 mph at 9000 rpm. Actually 5th gear in super low is about the same as 1st gear in high range lol! I love it and it makes any amount of work I have to do to it worth it. Its light enough that I can pick it up somewhat if needed to unpin it from around trees. The 700? Not a chance. I do wish they made a 300 king with fuel injection, but nothing exists that's even remotely close. The trend is for these huge gigantic machines. Everyone wants to see whose is bigger. If I wanted bigger, I would just drive my truck. The idea is to go smaller Sorry don't mean to offend. I'm just blunt and that's how I see it

After looking at the wire diagram I saw the blue w/black stripe wire is coming from the neutral and reverse lights looking for ground thru the neutral and reverse switches. If it finds ground, the lights come on. The same wire also comes from the neutral relay looking for ground at the same neutral and reverse switches. So it was easy to trick the relay into thinking the engine is in neutral all the time without having the light on all the time. Just cut the blue w/black wire at the relay and ground it. Easy Sorry the pics aren't better Now it starts in any gear and indicator lights work as they should.

If only they made quads like these with fuel injection

If the problem is starting a COLD engine only (IE it starts fine when warm, but not cold), its the intake valve. Check the intake valve lash. If the valve is tight, that means you have a crappy air filter and/or a loose connection letting dirt into the engine. Now that the hardness is worn off the valve, you're going to have to adjust the valve pretty frequently until the valve finally wears away. The oil change might have been a coincidence.

I've seen these engines run with almost no compression. I wouldn't sweat the compression test. The stroke is so long that you would have to have a gaping hole the size of your finger for it not to develop enough compression at starting speed. 3yrs is a long time. Did you clean the crud off the inside of the fuel pump? How about the petcock? That could be dumping gas into the vacuum line if the diaphragm is torn. That's a VERY common problem on these quads. How did you clean the pilot jet? I had to use very small drill bits on mine (like #90 and higher). I thought I had the 37.5 pilot clean until I saw the 35 pilot I had was bigger. So I had to drill it out again. Its amazing just how hard and tough that crud is that gas leaves behind. Its almost as hard as the brass! Guitar strings or bread ties make good jet cleaners. Also clean the little holes in the carb itself. Not just the jets. Those holes are hard to get to. A guitar string works good for that. For hard-starting issues I always verify the intake valve has enough lash. Its pretty well known how hard it is to start a cold engine if the intake valve has no clearance. Since you just rebuilt it and it ran for a while, I would check that 1st. If the valve is tight, then you have dirty air passing thru your filter. Now that the hardness is worn off the valve, this will happen more frequently until the valve is finally worn away and pulls thru the head. I've seen this a lot on these heads and its pretty much a given when one rolls in my shop.